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The number of people complaining over how we continue to receive new sexy and feminine costume options at all (or in some cases that said sexy and feminine costume parts are not available to male or huge toons) suggests otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That was never a problem - the problem was when it was only bustiers/corsets.
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The switch to the new fairer system of costume sets was caused by Gunslingergate - and that was all about the corsets |
Originally Posted by FlashToo
The number of people complaining over how we continue to receive new sexy and feminine costume options at all (or in some cases that said sexy and feminine costume parts are not available to male or huge toons) suggests otherwise.
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I do actually follow these things, you know. You don't have to talk to me like I'm oblivious to why I would be hated.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The switch to the new fairer system of costume sets was caused by Gunslingergate - and that was all about the corsets
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The specific instance of continued complaining that I thought of is a post I saw where someone speculated that we would be getting Tsoo costume parts, and that if so, it was another instance of the females getting more than the males because of yet another corset-centric set (yes, really; according to some, having ONE new corset option makes it the entire focus of a set), whine whine whine, moan moan moan.
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id nerf super strength...kill the rage stacking to only one at a time.this will happen someday when they revamp pvp anyways.id just get it out of the way now
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Originally Posted by FlashToo
The number of people complaining over how we continue to receive new sexy and feminine costume options at all (or in some cases that said sexy and feminine costume parts are not available to male or huge toons) suggests otherwise.
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My experience in game hears less of the "stop with the sexy" "why not give men dresses" and just more of "give males more options"
Shirts is a popular one wanted for males.
This is why I continue to hope devs don't take the forums 100%. Just because it becomes vocal doesn't mean it's the majority.
Of course, just because it becomes vocal doesn't mean it isn't.
Basically the devs I hope take the feedback and do a double check.
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Shirts is a popular one wanted for males.
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Cool thread, going to go back and read it...
The first thing that came to mind was when devs say in general that players 'LOVE' something terrible.
Bashiok has commented on the D3 boards multiple times that players just loooove when stuff pops into useless crap loot, so you have to search the floor full of complete, working-as-intended, intentionally implemented TRASH, to find the one worthwhile item that dropped, and something about 'needing breaks' so they took out in-dungeon systems and made them in-town systems like salvaging magic stuff for crafting parts.
More on topic; I seem to remember a CoH red comment about not allowing weapons that didn't fit. I think it was the shotgun that they wouldn't give to AR because it 'didn't fit' and I was mad, then I was mad again when I came back to the game later and AR had gotten sniper rifles... but it's a faint memory. Couldn't say who said it or when, but that's all I got.
Still want axes for dual blades and full AR selection availability for SoA's.
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Ripped shirts over ripped torsos are an important feature for any game
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Badge Decay
Once you've earned a badge, it stays with you for 30 days before you have to earn it again.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
New alignment at character creation: Chaotic Neutral.
You may travel as you please between the rogue isles and paragon city, but if not grouped you are openly PvP flagged at all times, but can also cast buffs and heals on all players. You will be zapped by police teleport bots and arachnos guard bots, and will automatically be exemplared to the minimum level of any zone's level range when you load in. On death, you respawn in a new mental hospital building added to Atlas Park and Mercy Island.
If at any time you earn a badge, you recieve a random badge from the full badge list instead.
If at any time you use an inspiration, you recieve the effect of a random inspiration of the same size instead.
When you place an enhancement, it is placed into a random empty slot on that power. If you replace an existing enhancement, all enhancements on that power shuffle positions so your enhancement screen will always be jumbled and your sets always out of order!
If you join a team for an alignment change mission or your leader speaks to a contact and recieves a new mission, there is a chance that you will be the final boss objective.
Other players, including other Chaotic Neutrals, earn badges for sending Chaotic Neutral players back to the assylums by defeating them.
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"The number of people" are asking for more options from a wider variety of theme. No-one ever complained that women were too sexy, but rather that it seemed like new costume sets would never give them anything BUT sexy. Sexy is not bad, it's simply not enough.
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Originally Posted by FlashToo
The number of people complaining over how we continue to receive new sexy and feminine costume options at all (or in some cases that said sexy and feminine costume parts are not available to male or huge toons) suggests otherwise.
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
"The number of people" are asking for more options from a wider variety of theme. No-one ever complained that women were too sexy, but rather that it seemed like new costume sets would never give them anything BUT sexy. Sexy is not bad, it's simply not enough.
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No, it's not. It's about being a developer and doing things you consider to be good, but that you know people wouldn't like. That's what Bill started out asking about. Not about intentionally trolling players with **** changes designed to tank the game, but actual legitimate changes with actual legitimate justification that would nevertheless be very poorly received.|
Originally Posted by VKhaun
You do realize this thread is about being a dev and doing BAD things, right?
Things to make players HATE you... |
The easiest example is Diminishing Returns in PvE. The way buffs stack in this game is frankly broken, and this would fix it, so it's a legitimate balance change. Nobody would support it, however, including myself. That's what the thread is about - things that would improve the game on a theoretical level, but would be so poorly received no-one would ever approve them.
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I'd nerf Brutes so they'd be more in line with the "somewhere between Tankers and Scrappers" that they're supposed to be. |
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what would you do that people would *hate* you for?
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I'd lower their resistance cap to 80% or 85%, and I'd lower their damage cap slightly. Maybe with an upward tweak to their damage scalar if lowering the damage cap takes them too far in the other direction.
In my opinion, both of those things should happen because Brutes as they currently stand are overpowered. I think the devs are actually afraid to nerf them because of the inevitable forum explosion that would result.
It wouldn't shut up the people who complain that Tankers don't do enough damage, but they'd have one less piece of ammunition to justify an increase.
And to balance it out, I'd increase Tanker damage scalars to .85 from .8. That would be to make it 75% of the scrapper damage scalar, since scrappers have 75% of Tanker base values fro defense, resistance, and max HP. (It is currently 71.2% of the Scrapper scalar, .85 would actually be closer to 76%, but it's a nice easily divisible number)
I would be hated for the brute nerfs, but that would make the damage/survivability line-up much more clear cut.
Survivability - Damage
Tanker - Brute - Scrapper - Stalker
Right now it's more like:
Survivability - Damage
Tanker - Scrapper - Stalker
Brute - Brute - Brute
Brutes are too close to both Scrappers and Tanks in the relevant categories, and should rightfully be in the middle of the two. Those things happen and the melee ATs will finally be balanced with each other. (since I don't think balancing Brutes against Scrappers and Tankers was really on the radar when they were first designed 7+ years ago)
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I would remove the crash from Super Strength's Rage, and compensate by making it not stack with itself. Casting another one would terminate the existing one.
I would make the whole team go see The Avengers, call a meeting and say...
"That last battle...it's going to be a raid...make it happen."
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The switch to the new fairer system of costume sets was caused by Gunslingergate - and that was all about the corsets
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So one model (female) getting ALL of the pieces in a new set that the other two models (male and huge) get PLUS additional pieces that the other two models don't get is your idea of fair?
Well, I guess I can go by the definition of fair that I give the kids here at school.
Fair comes once a year. It's in October. It's usually raining and/or cold.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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There are two camps of complainers here. Camp A, where you and I both are, comprises the people who want more options both sexy and unsexy for female characters, and do not object to the sexy being included. Camp B, the ones who would hate me, are the ones who complain that female characters get additional sexy-feminine options that the male characters don't get, calling it unfair that women are allowed their own clothes in addition to the unisex options.
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"The number of people" are asking for more options from a wider variety of theme. No-one ever complained that women were too sexy, but rather that it seemed like new costume sets would never give them anything BUT sexy. Sexy is not bad, it's simply not enough.
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There's also a Camp C that thinks that the best solution is to have most costume pieces shared by males and females, some unique female costume pieces, and some unique male pieces.|
Originally Posted by FlashToo
There are two camps of complainers here. Camp A, where you and I both are, comprises the people who want more options both sexy and unsexy for female characters, and do not object to the sexy being included. Camp B, the ones who would hate me, are the ones who complain that female characters get additional sexy-feminine options that the male characters don't get, calling it unfair that women are allowed their own clothes in addition to the unisex options.
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The problem is that women can, for the most part, wear anything men can without looking too socially out-of-place. In fact, the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that women can't equivalently wear and not get strange looks is topless outfits, like what men wear to the beach. On the other hand, put a man in a bustier and fishnets and, while thankfully today they don't haul him off to jail, most people do find it very socially awkward as it hasn't reached a level of acceptance outside of very specific circumstances.
So translated to the game, that means that women generally have more costume options available to them than men.
The problem that I have with the "make costumes available to everyone, even bustiers and fishnet-type costumes" is that the inevitable result will be a bunch of bustier- and flishnet-clad male avatars running around the city. Now let me say up front that I have no issue with the LGBT community, but the vast majority of these avatars are NOT being played by LGBT players or even as LGBT characters. They're being created as jokes--unfunny ones, sometimes downright offensive ones--usually in the spirit of making fun of the LGBT community.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
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Originally Posted by FlashToo
There are two camps of complainers here. Camp A, where you and I both are, comprises the people who want more options both sexy and unsexy for female characters, and do not object to the sexy being included. Camp B, the ones who would hate me, are the ones who complain that female characters get additional sexy-feminine options that the male characters don't get, calling it unfair that women are allowed their own clothes in addition to the unisex options.
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Then there is group D, who really doesn't care that females get unisex items, and sexy female items. That are just annoyed (actually ticked off) that long requested items are only made for females (like the sash) and that there is time to port unisex items from male to female, but no time to port unisex items from female to male.
See, group D really is looking for fair. Group A could care less about fair because they get it all. Group B wants boring, because they want ALL costumes to be unisex only, which technically is fair by definition because everyone is getting the exact same thing. Group C wants all costumes for all models, which I agree with Tony would be used to make fun of others more than anything else. Group D want's what makes sense.
I am in group D, because while I do not play female toons I do understand some want to not dress sexy, but I do like seeing such sexy things in the game. I have no issue with unisex ports as long as it goes both ways. I also think all packs should have costume items for every model, and that highly requested items, like the sash, should be made available to all models from the start.
So far the devs only seem to care about group A. I hope at some point some common sense is found and they recognize D is going to be better for customer retention and happiness.
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Scrapper's get a new inherent: A gold star appears over there head anytime something gets defeated and they're the ones that did the most damage. Even if they didn't get the killing blow.
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- I would revert out the Critter Accuracy change from Issue 7;
- I would do a gut rehab on Kheldians & Blasters
- I would introduce diminishing returns on buffs/debuffs;
- I would remove Stalkers out of hide critical chance;
- I would remove the Scrapper inherent and replace it with a new one;
- I would introduce critical chances to all ATs modifiable globally and by power.
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
If I were a Dev
I'd dev in the morning
I'd dev in the evening
All over this world
I'd dev about heroes
I'd dev about villains
I'd dev about crits between my scrappers and my cruppers
I'd dev about my MMs and my fenders
all over our world
Thelonious Monk
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If I were a Dev
I'd dev in the morning I'd dev in the evening All over this world I'd dev about heroes I'd dev about villains I'd dev about crits between my scrappers and my cruppers I'd dev about my MMs and my fenders all over our world |
+1 Interwebz for you.
Actually, you inspired me...
(To the tune of "If I Only Had a Brain")
I would delve into backstory
Write stuff as allegory
Tell tales of heroes gone
I would threaten to break necks
If I saw one more FedEx
If I worked at Paragon...
I'd make cutscenes by the hour
Have Fusionette devoured
As she soloes Hamidon
The Battalion'd be invading
We would FINALLY have base raiding
If I worked at Paragon...
And then I'd have a yen
To give villains equal zones
I'd encourage mayhem, chaos, breaking bones
And blowing up PPD drones!
I'd revamp how we build bases
Make animated faces
Stories hither thither yon
Closely follow players' insistence
Be the bane of Matt's existence
If I worked at Paragon!
Michelle
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Samuraiko/Dark_Respite
Dark_Respite's Farewell Video: "One Last Day"
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
2) Remove Death from Below, so any free loader's who wish to pay to play have to play the game the proper way to lvl 50
3) Close the server's off, everyone goes back to their main server. Any toon made on another will also go there with the ability to re-name it if needed.
2. What is the proper way?? Because I used to do sewers from 2-6/7...kinda like how I do DFB from 2-7 now.
3. Huh?? Is my main server the server I initially started on (Guardian)?? I left that server back in like June/July 2005. Or is my main server Freedom because that's where 90% of my characters are?