Player's Summit

I'm not implying CoH needs it at all. It's done very well for itself without it for years. I'm saying newer games are highly scrutinized for having lackluster pvp, or just lacking it all together.

What makes you say that? If they're coming in with no research done ahead of time looking for a PvP experience in a MMO, CoH has it by means of a technicality. Sure, it's there, but you'll have a real hard time finding it. Thing is, a newbie doesn't magically know that without digging around some.

Right, the point of the summit was to interact with the playerbase. PvP isn't a "big reveal" - it's already in the game. A total systems overhaul would be a big reveal had they, well, actually done that. I was suggesting they opened themselves interaction rather than flat-out ignoring comments. Had someone bothered to pitch a PvP zone revamp, the discussion could have gone there. Had they been more open to general questions, it could have happened as well.

There's one thing if you're annoying and spamming every venue with the same request over and over. There's another where civil discussion can't occur around a topic because there's some sort of pre-conceived disdain surrounding an issue. Had someone wanted to ask about badges, or additional RP features during a part that was vaguely related to the panel at hand, I sincerely doubt there'd be the level of, "no we're not talking about that here at all stop it."

Honestly, I'm not either. I think it's beyond childish and a little boggling that one of the better MMO communities around spouts it with the level of frequency that they do, but hey, whatcha gonna do.

A lot of powersets have official names that are different to there working titles that appear in the game files. In this case, the official name is Bio Armor, not Symbiotic Armor. This sort of change is why PIGG diving is banned.

I think we can mention that one showed up in an issue 23 beta build.

Funny, 'cause I´m told about Bloody Bay everytime one of my toons gets into level range and talks to a contact. And iirc the other pvp zones have this too.

I never went digging through the PIGGs, I was fortunate enough to see it linked in-game while on beta. BTW, Symbiotic Armor sounds WAY better. The term 'bio' is commonly associated with using the rest room. They really want to avoid ANY sort of connection between the two, unless they want people to start referring to Bio Armor as **** Armor. Just saying.



I have told all my SG mates about it, and I will most certainly respec my namesake into it when it's officially released, but I won't mention it by name on these forums out of respect.

I was thinking something like the Guyver, but I doubt it would be like that since it would cover up costumes completely.

I meant, finding other people to PvP with. It's not exactly accessible and easily organizable to the same degree that a task force or trial is nowadays.

I was never suggesting it was cost effective or even really feasible from a financial standpoint for a total overhaul. You're absolutely right in that sense - the cost/return ratio on an overhaul is most likely all sorts of skewed. I was saying how ignoring a portion of your playerbase is poor form. PvPers in other MMOs aren't given the shaft to the same degree they are here. It's less about "fix PvP" and more about "quit ignoring/acting like jerks to the people who want you to fix PvP, and at least try and have a discussion about it." The reason people kept asking about PvP and bases was because they'd never gotten an answer and felt ignored.

Well, we could always change Water Blast's name to Bladder Blast, and force it to be colored yellow. Bladder Blast/Bio Armor is the perfect tool for the Wet Avenger!

The problem with the Symbiotic name is that it implies the armor is a living thing while the Bio name allows the interpretation of the armor being your own body. That, and also Marvel.
Maybe "Biotic Armor"?

Agreed, redside doesn't need any zone revamps or new zones, just new content. Specifically some new strike forces to fill a couple of holes. However I won't hold my breath. Pollyanna Matronic was probably the only villain at the summit, which unfortunately seems like an accurate representation of the hero to villain ratio of the game population.

I think you are confusing Symbiotic with Symbiote

Also, there's this.

Finally, do we know much about the upcoming powerset other than it's name and the use of the Absorb mechanic?

I don't think so. His analysis seems quite right to me.
In biology, a symbiotic relationship is a relationship where two different species work together to mutual benefit.

An example being flowers and bees.

By calling it "Symbiotic Armor" the implication is that it is the product of two organisms working together, rather than just one. While "Biotic Armor", as suggested, allows for any biological concept.

That said, I doubt many players would let the name of the set get in the way of their concept.

Yes, but, not officially, so we are not allowed to talk about it...

I think it's safe to say that I understand why it would need a LOT of testing.

Symbiotes are symbiotic. If you are symbiotic you are a symbiote. It's the same thing.

Quoted for truth.

Symbiotic specifically means "two or more organisms working together". It's too specific.

After a good night's sleep, I realize now that *a lot* of potential zone revamps got ignored for discussion - but there's only so much they can accomplish in a single session. What's stranger still though that really obscure zones like IP and Striga got mentions at all... (although turning Striga into co-op/red side zone did occur to me, I figured it was so low priority for an already near-perfect zone that I didn't think it was worth mentioning).

I guess there's no such thing as a common "obvious" for a player base of this size.

TOTALLY disagree - and said my peace about it in the Make Your Case thread.

All I'll say now is: at some point, folks need to keep in mind that a zone's environment/themed atmosphere can be a huge draw or a complete deterrent to players using the space regardless of how great the content located there seems to be. The content on red side is pretty damn good in most places (not all though) however the zones themselves need a cosmetic "flip" from slums to extravagance to in order to make them more attractive for exploration by heroes *and* villains.

No villain in his right mind is going to steal from the rich and then go back to living in a slum... (and why would the players spend time exploring the slums either?)

How dare you interfere with a good "WAAAH! THE PVPERS WERE BEING IGNORED!" whine with facts!

Sounds about as specific as Ice or Fire armor to me.

That was my preference too, though I liked the idea of Air Control too. Boomerangs, shurikens, etc. Curious as to how that'd animate too, if it'd be a returning throwing weapon or what. Still, more my style.

I can understand why people went with Radiation Armor though. It's been, what, two years since Shield Defense came out? Even with Bio Armor on the docket, it's been quite an area that's not gotten a lot of attention. I'm rather curious as to how they animate Radiation Armor, as it sounded like Honey Badger had some ideas that he was mulling around with but wasn't ready to really talk about quite yet.

Did like some of the ideas for set gimmicks. The one in particular was the boost where you get at 100% health a small regen buff and larger recovery buff. As your HP decreases, the regen buff goes up while the recovery buff decreases accordingly. Or something along those lines.

The other neat one is the self-rez. Synapse said that because he plans on making it usable when you're still alive, just making it there the big explosion, he'd be decreasing the damage... as well as the recharge time. Kinda wish they could go back and do that with the other self-rezzes. Like being able to use Rise of the Phoenix as a pocket nuke, or Soul Extraction as a heal/AoE Stun, or Resurgance as a major self-heal and self-buff. It'd make them a lot more versatile. Heck, I wish they'd do the same to regular rez powers. Use it on a dead teammate, they rez. Use it on a non-dead one, it's a major heal and buff.

Just makes rezzes and self-rezzes more interesting. Though I imagine they're going to have to balance the hell out of Ground Zero to keep it from being like Shield Charge was at release. A strong AoE blast with major debuffs as well as major self-buffs that rezzes and/or heals you? Going to be interesting to see how they do that. Maybe the self-buffs only kick in if you're rezzing, or the blast, buffs and debuff strength are inversely proportional to your HP. If you're dead, it's strongest. If you're at 100% HP, much weaker. Could lead to some very interesting tactical situations where you're playing chicken with your HP bar, trying to get it lower in order to make the blast stronger.

Also interesting was the comment by Synapse that if/when they produce Radiation Armor, they'll probably go ahead and create a Radiation Melee set to go along with it.

As for Bio Armor, they didn't say much about the visual style, only that it was kind of a product of discussions regarding the Brain Slug idea for the Retro Sci-Fi pack. They also mentioned that tentacles make the animators' heads explode, which could just mean that they really find animating tentacles frustrating... or that they've been recently frustrated in working on more tentacle animations.

Crazy conspiracy theory time: Could this be a sneaky way of introducing tech that could later be leveraged for PvP? A new arena? Players taking on "roles" that kinda sound like something out of Team Fortress? Hmmm....

My comment was also in jest. I ran a LARP of over a hundred players on average per game, and 200+ on the books players. A large portion of them played very evil characters, but were very nice and good people irl. So, I have heard the answer before.

It is also why I want to do a study and thesis on why good people are so drawn to evil character. I think there is a deeper answer than "It is fun" or "I can't do it in real life." I just find it fascinating. Perhaps because I a Theology and Counseling student in college, and an avid gamer of all sorts of games.




Also the chime on on Bio vs Symbiotic armor. I prefer Symbiotic, but Wet Works was one of my favorite comics in the 90's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetworks

I also liked the Guyver Anime and the Live action movies. What? I liked the armor fx in the Live Action.

They're not ignoring you. They know you're there. And small things, here and there, are being done in PVP. Just not the overhaul that it truly needs. Kinda similar to the base crowd.

Most other MMOs' PVP communities aren't quite so miniscule, and the PVP system is quite such a gordian knot of a mess as this one is.

I've actually had conversations with them about it.

Note the term. "Conversation".

Not "screaming pillory". Not "hysterical accusation". Not "think I'm cleverly, subtly insulting them but it's about as subtle as a brick in the face" snipe-fest". You know, the usual thing that goes on.

When approached about it calmly and rationally, while tired of rehashing the subject for the umpty-quadrillionth time, they're perfectly willing to discuss the subject. They acknowledge that they know the system's broken. They simply don't have anyone that feels up to tackling that can of worms. More, they note the previous former dev who tried to step up and the warm, loving reception he got for his first step...

Well, to a certain extent, there's some "oh, this question again" there.

The devs have been clear about this. Simply because someone missed the official answers and demands "the schpiel" all over again doesn't mean they should take time away from other, more current questions and their duties to chew old fat.

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Think of it as an exotic damage set version of Willpower.

Mainly resist based rather than defense. Plus it has decent tools for regen/recovery and is leveraging the new "ablative" system.
The set's primary resists are semi-exotic.
It's got a toggle-based taunt/damage aura.
It uses a debuff mechanic (which can justify fairly fierce debuffs since they're resisted so heavily).
It's got an exotic damage aura and a combination self-res/nuke combo power that would be fairly unique in the game.
Plus a godmode.

As someone who plays Inv/WP/Stone and dislikes clicky mez protection, it actually sounds like it could become a nice optional power set.

Load in some set-based defense and it could possibly rival Elec for combination toughness.

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I refuse to go and buy them with Paragon points as well.

However, I have a surfeit of Reward Points that just keep accumulating (and nothing to spend them on, save a new costume set every 3-4 months). So I can be philosophical about dropping a bunch of RPs for a few. If you walk into a casino and they had you a club card with $50 for the machines, why not?

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That is an outstanding point. I personally have used my Paragon points for powersets and other useful items like additional trays, storage and other account wide items, but don't begrudge "anyone" for using them as they see fit.

I was also surprised to see they are coming out with additional Supergamble Packs, but why should I be based on the success of the first version.

Go PS collect that revenue and reinvest it into our game!