Just Take My Money Why Dont'cha!!!!
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Posted on: 2012-04-24 11:46 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
iirc all of the other purple sets are still in beta right now and will prolly be released as future items for the paragon market
Synapse can become "uncomfortable" with the performance of any SBE proc, label it's ppm rate a "bug", or a "mistake" and reduce it to something he is happier with at any time even after you purchase it.
A proc that followed the same 20% io to 3ppm sbe formula as it's peers got dropped to half it's effectiveness making it's current iteration a complete abaration as far as IO to SBE conversions go and regardless of escalation they denied me all and any recompense, and refused any kind of refund/points credit making this pretty much a case of bait and switch.
The first time this ever happened was recently so buyer beware with any and all sbe proc purchases you may not nessarily keep what you pay for as performance purchased is apparently the only part of a paragon market sale that isn't "final"
Damn shame too cause I would have dumped mad loot into the market to get from t9 to vip, to get more sbe procs including purple but I can't support dishonest and dishonorable business practices and those who practice them.
Since the Performance Shifter proc ended up still better than the crafted version in Stamina and similar passives, which is where the vast majority of such procs are used, and that instance specifically was a case of insufficient testing (it was on beta for less than a week, and nobody noticed the PPM until it had gone live), that's not quite an accurate way to describe the situation, Cheetatron. I mean, yes, the Hecatomb proc might get changed, and I'm being quite vocal about my dissatisfaction with the lack of communication on that issue. But the disparity was pointed out immediately on beta, and received multiple red-name comments, there is no possibility by now of Synapse saying "whoops, we didn't realize the proc chance this gives".
Edit: Uh... you know you can skip right over the t9 repeatables and start the t9 VIP tier, right?
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Originally Posted by Cheetatron
Synapse can become "uncomfortable" with the performance of any SBE proc, label it's ppm rate a "bug", or a "mistake" and reduce it to something he is happier with at any time even after you purchase it.
A proc that followed the same 20% io to 3ppm sbe formula as it's peers got dropped to half it's effectiveness making it's current iteration a complete abaration as far as IO to SBE conversions go and regardless of escalation they denied me all and any recompense, and refused any kind of refund/points credit making this pretty much a case of bait and switch. The first time this ever happened was recently so buyer beware with any and all sbe proc purchases you may not nessarily keep what you pay for as performance purchased is apparently the only part of a paragon market sale that isn't "final" Damn shame too cause I would have dumped mad loot into the market to get from t9 to vip, to get more sbe procs including purple but I can't support dishonest and dishonorable business practices and those who practice them. |
Just curious, are you a VIP (subscriber to CoH)?
If so, you're still "supporting dishonorable business practices and those who practice them."
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I'm really, really curious what the difference is between these attuned purple sets and the purple IO sets, when they are amplified to +5 by enhancement boosters.
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Originally Posted by Cheetatron
Any part of the game can be changed by the devs if they decide to do so.
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It was fail the "instant" whomever decided they would be on a different formula than the crafted one's already in the game. FAIL FAIL FAIL! And it is still FAIL!
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Just curious, are you a VIP (subscriber to CoH)?
If so, you're still "supporting dishonorable business practices and those who practice them." |
Maybe it's okay to just support those despicable practices A LITTLE.
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Meh, I don't really mind it at all. First of all, VIPs get monthly points with which I can buy the procs if I'm so inclined. Second of all, it's a trade off. If you slot a full set of SBEs the proc is better but the other enhancements can't be boosted so you lose out on some enhancement value. |
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
It was fail the "instant" whomever decided they would be on a different formula than the crafted one's already in the game. FAIL FAIL FAIL! And it is still FAIL!
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Seeing as this game is almost exclusively cooperative and not competitive, it's also perfectly viable to not use any SBEs at all. It would be very very difficult for someone to convince me that they need SBEs to succeed.
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This misses the bigger point the devs "finally" decided to recognize in Synapse's post.
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Originally Posted by Vauluur
Meh, I don't really mind it at all. First of all, VIPs get monthly points with which I can buy the procs if I'm so inclined. Second of all, it's a trade off. If you slot a full set of SBEs the proc is better but the other enhancements can't be boosted so you lose out on some enhancement value.
Seeing as this game is almost exclusively cooperative and not competitive, it's also perfectly viable to not use any SBEs at all. It would be very very difficult for someone to convince me that they need SBEs to succeed. |
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Since you can slot the SBE proc, and the rest of the set crafted and +5'ed, and still get the set bonuses, there's not even a tradeoff, other than points vs Inf. Also, I don't find it particularly useful to +5 a whole purple set, only one or two pieces at most, due to ED.|
Originally Posted by Vauluur
Meh, I don't really mind it at all. First of all, VIPs get monthly points with which I can buy the procs if I'm so inclined. Second of all, it's a trade off. If you slot a full set of SBEs the proc is better but the other enhancements can't be boosted so you lose out on some enhancement value.
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Personally, now that they've actually communicated their decision on the matter (make all the procs the same, although not until i24), I'm pretty much satisfied on this topic.
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and? I didn't buy a 1.5 ppm proc, not for my aoes, not for my autos. 25% better in autos is a joke considering costs and restrictions
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
Since the Performance Shifter proc ended up still better than the crafted version in Stamina and similar passives, which is where the vast majority of such procs are used,
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| and that instance specifically was a case of insufficient testing (it was on beta for less than a week, and nobody noticed the PPM until it had gone live), that's not quite an accurate way to describe the situation, Cheetatron. |
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| I mean, yes, the Hecatomb proc might get changed, and I'm being quite vocal about my dissatisfaction with the lack of communication on that issue. But the disparity was pointed out immediately on beta, and received multiple red-name comments, there is no possibility by now of Synapse saying "whoops, we didn't realize the proc chance this gives". |
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| Edit: Uh... you know you can skip right over the t9 repeatables and start the t9 VIP tier, right? |
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Just curious, are you a VIP (subscriber to CoH)?
If so, you're still "supporting dishonorable business practices and those who practice them." |
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
I know, right?
Maybe it's okay to just support those despicable practices A LITTLE. |
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
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New Information has come to light and it isn't good
Definitely Do NOT BUY the new sbe procs
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=288581
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Originally Posted by Cheetatron
New Information has come to light and it isn't good
Definitely Do NOT BUY the new sbe procs http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=288581 |
Instead of crying fire, how about some patience? Nothing has been changed, nothing has been altered. And it was already indicated that they are going back to the drawing board on the issue.
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If you are ever doing anything in an MMO, whether it involves spending money or not, specifically for the quantity of its performance, it is subject to change.|
Originally Posted by Cheetatron
and? I didn't buy a 1.5 ppm proc, not for my aoes, not for my autos. 25% better in autos is a joke considering costs and restrictions It's perfectly accurate it was set the same as its other 20% to 3ppm peers, that is the formula for all but one 2.5 ppm sbe it was drasticly stronger in 10sec sts than its io equivalent just like it's peers and was fairly underwelming in aoes just like its peers now it's only half as strong as it used to be where in situations it was strong and twice as aweful where it wasn't even remotely impressive worse they refuse refunds
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Period.
Titan Weapons could get nerfed. Nobody will be justified in asking for their 800 points back. Dual Pistols could get buffed. Nobody will be justified in being mad that they missed its sale back at the Gunslinger set's release.
Yes, Performance Shifter getting 1.5 PPM makes it abnormal compared to other procs that are also 20% as IOs. However, Performance Shifter is also abnormal in it uses compared to those procs. 20% -> 3 PPM is a rule of thumb, at best, and it should not be a surprise to anyone that a rule of thumb is not very good in edge cases.
I'm kinda hesitant about having this game sell Exp for money.
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Well , the alternative is to just let your bonus XP bubbles fill up while not playing, and then once you've used them all up, wait until they've filled up again. |
Originally Posted by Fluorescent
I'm kinda hesitant about having this game sell Exp for money.
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So it's not like you *need* XP buffs, you already get them if you're patient enough.
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This.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
It was fail the "instant" whomever decided they would be on a different formula than the crafted one's already in the game. FAIL FAIL FAIL! And it is still FAIL!
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Q. Just wondering Posi, where are the new dance emotes we were told would come with GR?
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I've been paying close attention to that thread all day and I stand buy what I said so long as people know what's up they can do what ever they like|
Originally Posted by OneFrigidWitch
Instead of crying fire, how about some patience? Nothing has been changed, nothing has been altered. And it was already indicated that they are going back to the drawing board on the issue.
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I'm saying don't buy
http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/news/n...et_-_42412.php
Hecatomb!
Double XP temp powers!
Hecatomb is discounted! Are the other purple sets there? If so...
I don't have the Fry gif so I'll just throw my wallet at the computer.
Dang you Paragon!
*I don't mean it...*