So, this remind anyone of Red Dawn?
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Antigonus,
Posted on: 2012-04-11 23:09 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Only around the edges... 
Lotsa interesting clips on that page. That 4:44 Last Day on Earth looks neat. I imagine at 4:45 everyone would look at each other and just agree that everyone gets a pass for what they did the previous day. >.<
Iron Sky looks EPIC. Nazis from the Moon with a parody President Palin and space zeppelins.
Exit Humanity made me think Red Dead Redemption's Undead Nightmare DLC.
Behemoth looks like a SciFi Saturday movie, but it has Nathan Stark, so...awesome.
Heartless has both Mickey AND Benjen!
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Only around the edges, and in the part just before the edges. And the parts between there and the middle. And kind of in the middle area a bit as well...|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Only around the edges...
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Seriously, that's EXACTLY the plot of Red Dawn. And not in a "oh everything has been done before" kind of way, but in a "Yes, Last Man Standing really is Fistful of Dollars which really is Yojimbo" kind of way.
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For some reason when I saw the thread title I read Red Dwarf. I watched that video thinking "this is nothing like Red Dwarf, wth?"
My main problem with that is...is it New Zealand or Australia?
If it's Australia...why would anyone want to invade a country where nature is actively out to make your life miserable. Seriously nature decided "You know what this country needs...only 90% of the worlds most poisonous creatures...including the only poisonous mammal...yeah..bring it mankind!"
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A real showstopper!
It would be interesting if the invaders end up being the US.
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A bit predictable, don't you think?
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Originally Posted by Innovator
It would be interesting if the invaders end up being the US.
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@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
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The troops kind of look like American forces. It would make an interesting point about perspective. In Red Dawn, it was American kids attacking Russian invaders, and we took the kids fighting back as Freedom Fighters. But if you did the same movie, but changed the invaders to be American Troops, would we look at these kids as terrorists instead? I mean, in our perspecitve, if the US were invading a foreign country there must be good reason for it...?
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Originally Posted by Quasadu
A bit predictable, don't you think?
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looks like ****...
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It depends on the circumstances of the invasion, surely, but that's got nothing to do with my comment. I just mean from a story perspective, trying to make it a big mystery who the invading army is and then revealing it to be the US is just utterly predictable. If it's going to be about the US invading and seeing that from the other side, then I think the concept would be better served making that point up front, not by trying to make it some kind of big reveal.
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Originally Posted by Innovator
The troops kind of look like American forces. It would make an interesting point. In Red Dawn, it was American kids attacking Russian invaders, and we took the kids fighting back as Freedom Fighters. But if in a movie, the invaders were American Troops, would we look at these kids as terrorists instead?
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@Quasadu
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Might be just the trailer hiding the fact to reduce controversy until the release of the movie.|
Originally Posted by Quasadu
It depends on the circumstances of the invasion, surely, but that's got nothing to do with my comment. I just mean from a story perspective, trying to make it a big mystery who the invading army is and then revealing it to be the US is just utterly predictable. If it's going to be about the US invading and seeing that from the other side, then I think the concept would be better served making that point up front, not by trying to make it some kind of big reveal.
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Originally Posted by Quasadu
It depends on the circumstances of the invasion, surely, but that's got nothing to do with my comment.
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That looks a LOT like Red Dawn - only with invading Asians (at least some of them were) = Red Dawn had Russians, Cubans (& maybe some generic 'Central Americans' ?), No reason for it to be just one invading nation/country/culture/force.
They were invading some part of Australia (or very close by) = there was a License plate shown (right before the one girl says "Run"... *explosion*) with the motto "The Premier State" on it... So that makes sense enough to me.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
City of Heroes didn't fail, City of Heroes was killed. If a 747 dropped on your house, you'd say you were killed, not you failed to find a safer dwelling.
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Yes but if you're asking an American audience to consider this possibility and give it any serious thought, to see ourselves as potential villains, then there has to be a reason that we can swallow. Otherwise it's too shallow to make that point because how are we supposed to believe that the US is invading Australia or wherever this is "just because?"
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Originally Posted by Innovator
In Red Dawn, we never got a reason for the Russian Invasion (it was just assumed), the point of the movie wasn't why they were invading but why the kids were fighting back.
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@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
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Yep yep.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Really does look like Red Dawn.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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I think any reason given would just distract from the plot, or that they could give any reason that would make us feel as the villains. I mean, if they made the Americans invading because we wanted something from the country like oil, it would make the movie feel slanted toward a political agenda, and we'd miss the point of it.|
Originally Posted by Quasadu
Yes but if you're asking an American audience to consider this possibility and give it any serious thought, to see ourselves as potential villains, then there has to be a reason that we can swallow. Otherwise it's too shallow to make that point because how are we supposed to believe that the US is invading Australia or wherever this is "just because?"
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Okay, let's put it in this light. If the invaders were say the Chinese, would we still need a reason for the invasion?
Ugh, this thread has taken a nasty looking pseudo political slant. EEK!
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Whoever the invaders are, if there is no reason given, then the invaders are assumed to be just villains and invading for resources or conquest, etc, and there is no valid justification for the invasion. Therefore the kids are heroes and freedom fighters. |
Originally Posted by Innovator
I think any reason given would just distract from the plot, or that they could give any reason that would make us feel as the villains. I mean, if they made the Americans invading because we wanted something from the country like oil, it would make the movie feel slanted toward a political agenda, and we'd miss the point of it.
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That's a perfectly fine plot for a movie. It's the plot of Red Dawn.
But you brought up the question of whether an American audience would think of the kids as freedom fighters or terrorists if the invaders happen to be American. And my point is that in order for us to answer that question with any kind of serious consideration, we need to have a reason for the invasion.
If we don't have a reason, then the American invaders are just villains and of course the kids are heroes. But it's just a fantasy version of the USA that's invading and the idea that "we" are the villains holds no serious philosophical weight, because we don't assign real-world USA motivations and values to the fantasy USA in the movie.
@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
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Actually, I wasn't trying to make this political. I was mainly reacting to the posts on that video voicing their ourtrage that the trailer doesn't spell outright what nationality the invaders are. Like it would make a difference?
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Ugh, this thread has taken a nasty looking pseudo political slant. EEK!
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Actually they did give a reason for why the Soviets invade in Red Dawn. At the start, there's a bunch of news blurbs which describe a series of failed grain harvests in the Soviet Union. Their economy was apparently in dire straights and they needed the invasion to distract the people and steal resources.
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Originally Posted by Innovator
In Red Dawn, we never got a reason for the Russian Invasion (it was just assumed), the point of the movie wasn't why they were invading but why the kids were fighting back. "Because we live here!" was the catchphrase for the original Red Dawn trailers...that and "WOLVERINES!"
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I completely forgot about that until you just mentioned it. Wow it's been a long time since I've seen that movie.
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Originally Posted by docbuzzard
Actually they did give a reason for why the Soviets invade in Red Dawn. At the start, there's a bunch of news blurbs which describe a series of failed grain harvests in the Soviet Union. Their economy was apparently in dire straights and they needed the invasion to distract the people and steal resources.
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@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
Hmmm...from what I've read about the Tomorrow series this movie is based on, the author never gives the nationality of the invading forces.
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Roger. Maybe I overreacted because I hate politics and everything that goes with it. Sorry.
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Originally Posted by Innovator
Actually, I wasn't trying to make this political. I was mainly reacting to the posts on that video voicing their ourtrage that the trailer doesn't spell outright what nationality the invaders are. Like it would make a difference?
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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That may be the point - as you said before, it doesn't really matter WHO they are, only WHAT they're doing. So maybe the author is intentionally not naming them so that we aren't focused on the who, so much as the what. |
Originally Posted by Innovator
Hmmm...from what I've read about the Tomorrow series this movie is based on, the author never gives the nationality of the invading forces.
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That works fine if it's consistent and we never learn who they are... although it is a bit difficult to imagine that the kids would never find out...
I just think if it's being kept secret so there can be some kind of big reveal at the end, that seems like a pointless thing to do.
@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
Was tooling around youtube, and lo and behold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KaX0...feature=relmfu