New Avengers Clip, Black Widow in Bondage.

They are looking at a $53 million write down as of right now. Anyone that knows anything about the film industry knows that this means it will most likely break even or turn a small(by industry standards) profit before all is said and done.

The is no denying that the movie was a flop in terms of revenue...no doubt.

It's over-empowerment, and there's still way too much of that around

I normally try to keep my expectations low, but man, this movie looks like a helluva lot of fun.

I'd read the write down is around $200 million - plus, for the kind of corp that Disney are, it was way more than just a movie - it was meant to be the launch of a new franchise, with massive amounts of merchandising, new rides and attractions at Disneyworld, and so on - it was a key part of their strategy for the next few years, which is now trashed by its failure.

It's unfortunate that it's only us old geeks or geeks into older 'history' of the genre knew who John Carter was. That's my theory anyway. As much as bean counters are afraid of 'new franchises', viewers are afraid of trying the same due to ticket costs. While it's not new, I doubt most of today's movie-going audience knew who John Carter was.

Even I admit, at this point he was like a niche within a niche. It's was like how Scott Pilgrim was expected to be much more lucrative than it was. The thing is, you had to know who he was to 'get' what they were selling. Frankly if I didn't have a kid who was a fan of the series, and a frame of reference from my old console days, I'm not sure I would have bothered either.

The 'bennie and the slap' (bonus points if you get the reference) thing with 'geek' culture is that it's always evolving. I'd both LOVE and DREAD an Elric/Stormbringer movie nowadays. It would sell for the 'emo' culture Elric himself thrives upon that a lot of 'kids' (and I use that term as an 'old fart' loosely) and the FX with the CGI nowadways would be utterly amazing and could live up to the expectations I have for it... but with Hollywood exec's at the head with no understanding of the culture they're trying to appeal to... The story could turn into utter rubbish with complete ease.

Or become a comedy like Dark Shadows

Yeah that was the non trade industry report, which are often very early on and highly inaccurate. The total write down won't come for a bit but The Hollywood Reporter is pegging worst case $53 million write down to $53 million profit best case. THR is notoriously accurate when it comes to this stuff so that is always the source I use.

They certainly can still salvage some element of the merchandising etc.. it just depends on how they decide to handle it. It's not like this has not happened before and won't happen again, these guys are pros and they know how to recover.

It's girl-on-girl power, which is even better!

OOO naughty naughty.

I grew up watching G.L.O.W.

If they team up to beat the boys, then yes

Scott Pilgrim was a niche within a niche. John Carter is so far outside current cultural memory most people who saw the trailer were wondering how a medical student got to Mars.

That would just be misandristic.

Girl on girl power...beating up the boys...Sounds like some B rated S&M movie gone bad. My stomach is starting too gurgle.

I remember the Married With Children episode that had a section wherein Al "wrestled" Big Bad Mama.


In regards to the clip...

Mmmm...jiggly...

Not if the boys started it

Is there a sign up sheet to be beaten on by 2 girls i should be aware of?

Some have made it to the big time, though, like Venom and Harley Quinn.

DC really wouldn't need a new character to drive their movies if they could get their non-Batman movies right. Green Lantern......could have been better. Batman Forever and Batman and Robin are best filed along with Superman 3, 4 and Returns under W.W.N.S.O.T, they have yet to get a decent script for Wonder Woman much less cast the part, Superman movies.... okay I'm going to say this as a statement of fact and not to speak ill of the dead: Yes Christopher Reeve set the tone for how Superman should be played, but Superman Returns was too mired in trying to copy/emulate/pay tribute to Christopher Reeve. DC needs to get the Superman movies going again and part of that may well involve finally getting the movies out of Reeve's shadow.

DC has yet to get a FLASH movie going, (the old TV series wasn't too bad), they certainly are not up to the task of getting JUSTICE LEAGUE going, they have yet to try making a Captain Marvel/Shazam movie, also why not try Firestorm as a movie?

W.W.N.S.O.T = We Will Not Speak of This

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

Plus Deadpool, whether you like him or not, got pretty big in a relatively shot period of time. Even suggesting he get his own movie is more than one would expect with his roots as a forgettable New Mutants/X-Force 'parody' villain.

Also, as I hear it, that's part of the reason they pushed X-23 so hard over the last decade, because someone felt a 'female Wolverine' movie would be more viable in the wake of stuff like Alias. Because as much as fanboys love Wolverine, they love a chick in leather pants doing the same stuff even more.


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What I found interesting about the whole John Carter movie "failure" was the idea that when you look back over the entire genre of Sci-Fi you see that Edgar Rice Burroughs' Barsoom series served as a main inspiration for many of the most famous Sci-Fi authors the world has ever known. Put in those terms it almost doesn't seem -possible- that a movie like this could have failed.

Unfortunately I think this John Carter movie was a victim of bad timing as much as anything else. For people who don't know of the original Barsoom books (and that's probably a lot of people these days) the release of this movie in 2012 probably led the audiences to think that this movie was trying to "copy" previous epics like Star Wars or Avatar when if anything those movies had borrowed from Burroughs' books decades before. The hundred-year-old "source" story ended up looking like the cheesy Disney rip-off in this situation.

It probably didn't help that the John Carter movie itself just seemed a little hollow/shallow somehow. Too much of the story seemed glossed over or rushed without generating any depth or empathy for the characters. Basically I sat through the movie not really caring what was going to happen next almost like what happened to me when I watched Sucker Punch. I enjoyed the pretty visuals, but ultimately I came out of it without a sense that I had just seen anything original or thought-provoking.

An Elric-based comedy would be a strange mix of surreal, horrifying and utter wrongness on dozens of levels.

You don't need to sign up - just carry on being a normal guy and you'll eventually get a beat down from a girl