Expanding the Fighting Pool powers

I like Tough. I get it on a number of my toons, some to add to the resistances they already have, and for others because it's the only resistances I can get them, but what I don't like is Boxing and Kicking. I don't believe I've used this power for any toon. I just consider it the hurdle I have to jump to get Tough. After the onset of the travel powers adjustment, I would love it for Fighting to get a similar make over. Let us get Tough from the get go, and add in a new power after Weave. I would suggest some variant of the power Practiced Brawler. A nice click power for the squishies that could use some better defenses from the many enemy groups that can hold, stun, sleep, knock back, and so on. Now I would bet there are some people that use Boxing or Kick, but how many others just have it there, a wasted power taken just to get the power you want or need?

I've used Kick as an actual slotted attack on a number of tanks - replacing the Tier 2 attack with it in order to get to Tough.

My Willpower/SS tank I definitely did this. I know I lose some damage, but not enough to really notice in the course of play, compared to the noticeable improvement in survivability that Tough gave me.

On other characters Boxing/Kick end up going unslotted.

I really cant see the Fighting attacks being replaced with a mez protection power. People choose epic pools, powersets or whole archetypes to get that - now way would it be handed out as a Tier 1 pool power.

I would rather see a third melee strike power in the fifth place, since it is actually called fighting.
Regarding boxing and kick, I suggest a slight damage buff, shorter execution time for kick, and power customization. I did earlier use kick in some attack chains to trigger a slotted recharge proc, but the long execution time made me doubt the effectiveness.

I would be for this, the Fighting pool is like Fitness, it's necessary for almost every character it seems. I hate how useless both Boxing and Kick are. I'd just be happy if they took the redraw out of at very least kick, or upped the accuracy or damage of the two.

I do actually use Boxing on a KM scrapper, since there's nothing to redraw and I had to take it anyway to get Tough/Weave. I use it as an in-between attack when waiting for other things to recharge. I refuse to slot it, though. It's on par with Brawl.

I find it extra poor in combination with power sets that have some building effect, like Street Justice's Combo Points, or Dual blades Combination Attacks. I mind it less on something like Super Strength.

And if we're talking about Fighting, I don't like the gorilla yell. Especially on female characters, it looks painful.

But adding more powers, like the travel powers, will make it much harder to make a build. Squeezing one of the level 14 travel powers in is already a quite difficult.

Boxing and Kick can be important set mules for primarily ranged characters, but I rarely use them as attacks even when slotted. I used to keep Kick handy on one character as a finishing move, because knockback makes the end of the fight more dramatic.

With that said, I have no problem with the expansion idea.

SS jab replacement BUT only because you have to take it to get to tough and weave. Would certainly prefer it get the travel power treatment for sure.

Something for the devs to consider is to just make Boxing and Kick AWESOME ATTACKS! :O

Okay maybe not to the point of tier 9's...but, instead figure out the average damage to recharge/end of melee sets tier 1 or 2 attacks, set them up as that, and then ATs can use them based off of their own ATs merits for using melee attacks.

So take all the tier 1's or 2's from all the melee sets, figure out the average damage of them, set that as the level of damage for Boxing/Kick, then give them the stardard End/Rch levels.

This would make them useful attacks. Some sets would benefit less from using the melee attack, but others could see it as useful.

I agree with moving Tough up to the first tier and adding another power.

As for Boxing and Kick, I think they should do (relatively) higher damage for non-Melee ATs than Melee ones. The Fighting Pool should be an attractive option for ranged ATs looking to add some melee options, rather than melee fighters looking for even more defense.

I'd love for all of the Power Pools to be reworked and have some changes and additions made to them.

I've got a controller that uses boxing, but if I hadn't had to have it for tough/weave I would have taken air superiority instead.

I dobt they'd be willing to drop tough down to tier 1 and add anything meaningful as the highest tier but I suggested an improved brawl option just like brawl but with more damage no secondary effect but the benefit of having an option that wont cause redraw and does a bit more damage than the common brawl

Honestly, I'd just like for the veteran "skip tier one in travel pools" to be able to work for all pools...but if that's asking too much, I'd add in a new non-attack power, call "block." This would act as a VERY short burst of high resistance, and give non-melee characters a tool they could use.