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Just not fair!!

AcceleratorRay

By AcceleratorRay,
Posted on: 2012-03-20 08:07 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post
Clearly, this is set up that you don't earn the extra Emps til you talk to him first, then he keeps track of your progress.
Good to know. I was going to start doing the DA arcs this week, so now I'll make sure I talk to this NPC before I do.

 

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Originally Posted by Lothic View Post
Actually there are very, very few instances of things being retroactively rewarded like that. Your example of Task Force Commander (an accolade badge being added later in the game) being one of the few.

I understand your attempt to equate the TF Commander badge to something like this but you are talking apples and oranges. As I point ed out a given character may have already run the new DA arcs ANY number of times prior to today. That information was not kept anywhere in the game so no "retroactive" reward can be given for that. Checking to see if a given character has the new DA arc badges can't be used for this - sorry.
We got badges for completing each arc so yea there is a tracker in place to know that we've done them once, and there is a week cooldown on the reward so the most anyone could receive is 4 since it's only been live for 2 weeks, but that besides the point

I'm not asking for 100 emps, I just think the devs could have used the badges to implement having completed the arcs once and granted the players the 2 emps.

If you have only done 1 or 2 of the arcs on a toon so far it would be nice that they show up as being completed with the Taskmaster.

I'm not asking for the world, but its a little strange to complete an arc yesterday then have this Taskmaster tell you that you haven't. I think the system was just poorly implemented

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Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post

Clearly, this is set up that you don't earn the extra Emps til you talk to him first, then he keeps track of your progress.
I would hope you don't have to talk to him first to start tracking progress. If it is they need to intro him to you as a contact or uninformed peeps will be missing out.

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Originally Posted by Brynstar View Post
We got badges for completing each arc so yea there is a tracker in place to know that we've done them once, and there is a week cooldown on the reward so the most anyone could receive is 4 since it's only been live for 2 weeks, but that besides the point

I'm not asking for 100 emps, I just think the devs could have used the badges to implement having completed the arcs once and granted the players the 2 emps.

If you have only done 1 or 2 of the arcs on a toon so far it would be nice that they show up as being completed with the Taskmaster.

I'm not asking for the world, but its a little strange to complete an arc yesterday then have this Taskmaster tell you that you haven't. I think the system was just poorly implemented
No as I said before the "system" wasn't poorly implemented. You simply hit the perfect storm of finishing off the DA arcs at the precise time (yesterday) that caused you to lose out on this new reward. The system didn't fail you - at best your timing was just coincidentally bad.

I realize that your scenario might be a tad bit annoying. But this kind of thing happens ALL the time whenever a MMO adds a new feature like this. As you point out we are only talking about 2 Emp merits - a reward that you can earn doing -many- different things within an hour or so. In the grand scheme of things this is not the worst problem you are ever going to have to deal with or get over.

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Originally Posted by Brynstar View Post
We got badges for completing each arc so yea there is a tracker in place to know that we've done them once, and there is a week cooldown on the reward so the most anyone could receive is 4 since it's only been live for 2 weeks, but that besides the point
When did they put a week cooldown on the reward? Or is that only on the Emp/Astral choice? I know it isn't on the Incarnate Component reward choice.

After getting through all of the arcs the first time on Texas Justice I started running Heather's arc through Ouro. I ran it once a day and selected the same reward (Incarnate Component) each day. I know of some in Beta that ran that same arc several times a day and selected different rewards each run through.

When I saw the patch notes on Beta about this I never expected it to reward me for the arcs I'd already completed.

If they had granted that option I would have considered it a bonus, not something I expected.

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When did they put a week cooldown on the reward? Or is that only on the Emp/Astral choice? I know it isn't on the Incarnate Component reward choice.

After getting through all of the arcs the first time on Texas Justice I started running Heather's arc through Ouro. I ran it once a day and selected the same reward (Incarnate Component) each day. I know of some in Beta that ran that same arc several times a day and selected different rewards each run through.

When I saw the patch notes on Beta about this I never expected it to reward me for the arcs I'd already completed.

If they had granted that option I would have considered it a bonus, not something I expected.
From my understanding. Once you've done them all you're in this situation.

Once every 20 hours, flashbacking an arc will give you a reward table.

Once every week completing all six arcs gives you a guaranteed Emp merit (or is it two merits?).

So post completing the arcs for the first time the most efficent way of farming DA solo is to do one arc every day, making sure to pick up Taskmaster's mission once a week.

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From my understanding. Once you've done them all you're in this situation.

Once every 20 hours, flashbacking an arc will give you a reward table.

Once every week completing all six arcs gives you a guaranteed Emp merit (or is it two merits?).

So post completing the arcs for the first time the most efficent way of farming DA solo is to do one arc every day, making sure to pick up Taskmaster's mission once a week.
Yeah, I understand how it works. I'm just not sure why Brynstar was saying there was a one week cooldown on the reward so we could have only gotten 4 so far due to it only being out 2 weeks.

If you ran all of the arcs normally you'd get the choices on each arc. Then you could run one or all of the arcs through Ouro with a daily cooldown (20 hours) on the reward. I'm not sure if the same reward could be chosen for completing a different arc through Ouro before the 20 hours passes, but even if it couldn't it would still have been possible to have run all of the arcs more than once per week and gotten the rewards. There were some during Beta running the entire arc either daily or every other day. That's between 7 and 14 times for 2 weeks, not just twice as Brynstar suggested.

EDIT: I haven't been able to test it yet but you may be able to get the 2 Empys the first run through as long as you talk to Taskmaster Gabriel before starting the arcs from the contacts. I guess I'll try that on one of my scrappers or my 'troller since they haven't run it yet.

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EDIT: I haven't been able to test it yet but you may be able to get the 2 Empys the first run through as long as you talk to Taskmaster Gabriel before starting the arcs from the contacts. I guess I'll try that on one of my scrappers or my 'troller since they haven't run it yet.
I'm sure you can, as long as you pick up his mission before starting the whole thing?

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More testing:

A character brand new to the DA arcs can talk to Gabriel after Detective Nolan (not before) and start ticking off arcs.

A tag-along teammate will get the end-of-arc incarnate reward table (if they participate -- can't be standing outside), but it will not count toward Gabriel's countdown. Gabriel is for soloists or team leaders only.

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While I certainly understand the sentiment here, the thing to remember is that the addition of the Empyrean Merit weekly rewards was a new development in this patch *not* a retroactive bug fix. This was a change made late in the beta process, which due to publishing schedules did not make it into the release candidate.

I will, as always, be sure to pass your concerns along.

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FPARN

Hey everyone!

To add on to what Zwil said, for the weekly rewards with Gabriel, we introduced with this patch a method for tracking your completion of the Dark Astoria arcs that are also removable once you “cash in” everything with Gabriel. This was done since badges and souvenir clues are not removable. This is the reason why, unfortunately, this reward is not retroactive if you've already done them before the patch.

You do not have to talk to Gabriel before you start all the missions. With this patch, you can do the Dark Astoria arcs and talk to Gabriel at any time to see your progress towards the Empyrean merits or claim them if you’ve completed the arcs.

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FPARN

Hey everyone!

To add on to what Zwil said, for the weekly rewards with Gabriel, we introduced with this patch a method for tracking your completion of the Dark Astoria arcs that are also removable once you “cash in” everything with Gabriel. This was done since badges and souvenir clues are not removable. This is the reason why, unfortunately, this reward is not retroactive if you've already done them before the patch.

You do not have to talk to Gabriel before you start all the missions. With this patch, you can do the Dark Astoria arcs and talk to Gabriel at any time to see your progress towards the Empyrean merits or claim them if you’ve completed the arcs.
If I understand this correctly, someone that has already completed Heather's arc and Mu'Vorkan's arc before today can now talk to Gabriel, complete the rest of the arcs, then run Heather's arc through Ouro and Mu'Vorkan's arc through Ouro and get the weekly Empys?

If I'm misunderstanding, can you clarify where I'm off?

EDIT: Also, that is a perfectly logical explanation as to why it couldn't be awarded based on previous completion of the arcs.

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Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post
More testing:

A tag-along teammate will get the end-of-arc incarnate reward table (if they participate -- can't be standing outside), but it will not count toward Gabriel's countdown. Gabriel is for soloists or team leaders only.
Now that's something to take issue with.

Did that tag-along have the same arc open with the leader in your test, and completing it along as they went?

 

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I didn't test collaborative missions.
Based on the Dev explanation it would make sense that everyone in the team would need to have the missions and complete them as they went along in order for the "check marks" to be applied and cleared on redemption.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Aeon View Post
FPARN

Hey everyone!

To add on to what Zwil said, for the weekly rewards with Gabriel, we introduced with this patch a method for tracking your completion of the Dark Astoria arcs that are also removable once you “cash in” everything with Gabriel. This was done since badges and souvenir clues are not removable. This is the reason why, unfortunately, this reward is not retroactive if you've already done them before the patch.

You do not have to talk to Gabriel before you start all the missions. With this patch, you can do the Dark Astoria arcs and talk to Gabriel at any time to see your progress towards the Empyrean merits or claim them if you’ve completed the arcs.
Is 2 emps and 7 components per week actually being considered a fair and viable progression for soloists by the developers?

What are the chances that the 1 component per day time gate is going to be changed to 1 component per arc per day? As it stands, I can't resub until we get something better than this.

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba View Post
What are the chances that the 1 component per day time gate is going to be changed to 1 component per arc per day?
That might be a bit too close to the Trial progress rate.

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba View Post
Is 2 emps and 7 components per week actually being considered a fair and viable progression for soloists by the developers?

What are the chances that the 1 component per day time gate is going to be changed to 1 component per arc per day? As it stands, I can't resub until we get something better than this.
Hi Bill glad to see you still here fighting the good fight. IDK what the devs are thinking when it comes this kind of thing. It almost seems like there is nobody on the dev team that is NOT an end game guild raider or they are listening to the wrong person that does not even do solo arcs but knows inside information all the time.

The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

 

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba View Post
Is 2 emps and 7 components per week actually being considered a fair and viable progression for soloists by the developers?

What are the chances that the 1 component per day time gate is going to be changed to 1 component per arc per day? As it stands, I can't resub until we get something better than this.
I thought each arc was on a 20 hr timer? So 4 arcs (max's doesn't grant a component) per day = 4 components per day (the 2nd time through Dream Doctors only grants 1), then 2 Emps a week for all 5 arcs?

Plus 15+ Threads a day for 2 repeatable missions? (I'm assuming it drops to 5 per mission after the 1st time at 10) If the 2nd + repeatable missions are still at 1 thread than I call utter bull s hi t.



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I thought each arc was on a 20 hr timer? So 4 arcs (max's doesn't grant a component) per day = 4 components per day (the 2nd time through Dream Doctors only grants 1), then 2 Emps a week for all 5 arcs?
After the first time through the arcs, all the DA arcs share the same reward table. Each item on the reward table is on a 20 hour cool down.


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Plus 15+ Threads a day for 2 repeatable missions? (I'm assuming it drops to 5 per mission after the 1st time at 10) If the 2nd + repeatable missions are still at 1 thread than I call utter bull s hi t.
10 Threads first time, 1 thereafter. The 10 threads being on a 20 hour cooldown.

Call it what you want. This is a buff from Beta.

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After the first time through the arcs, all the DA arcs share the same reward table. Each item on the reward table is on a 20 hour cool down.




10 Threads first time, 1 thereafter. The 10 threads being on a 20 hour cooldown.

Call it what you want. This is a buff from Beta.
Only a buff in name.... its actually a Joke.

Sad part is.. some of the best writing in the game is tied to the most insulting rewards in the game.



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