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LAME Paragon just BLOODY LAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Brynstar
So I just logged in to DA on a toon that just finished the last arcs yesterday and go to find the new contact that will grant you 2 emps for finishing all of the arcs, only to discover it doesn't count if you have done the arcs prior to him being added??????
Seriously that is beyond weak!!! You're telling me the system can't look into my badges and see all the arc completion badges and grant everyone who has you know DONE them already and grant the 2 Emps? I'm usually very forgiving and understanding of a lot of things, but I'm pretty disappointed in this. |
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
Tell you boss that from now on, all your raises must be retroactive otherwise, HE'S LAME!!!1!!!1!
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Did anyone test this on the Beta server to see if it worked the way you expected it to?
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I'm sure if you could pick up a bus and hurl it a mile across town, your boss would say "Sure thing man, whatever you say."
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Tell you boss that from now on, all your raises must be retroactive otherwise, HE'S LAME!!!1!!!1!
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Tell you boss that from now on, all your raises must be retroactive otherwise, HE'S LAME!!!1!!!1!
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If they miss your annual review date and do it two months later you bet the raise is retroactive.
However, lets stick to the real issue at hand here in the game and just how lame it is not to be rewarded for doing the work already. I am sorry while you may find that acceptable some don't and rightly so since we are not asking for any kind of a hand out just what is due.
Pretty fecking simple concept actually.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Maybe I was the only one, but I got the impression that the Emps were rewarded for subsequent runs, not the first time through.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
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If they miss your annual review date and do it two months later you bet the raise is retroactive. However, lets stick to the real issue at hand here in the game and just how lame it is not to be rewarded for doing the work already. I am sorry while you may find that acceptable some don't and rightly so since we are not asking for any kind of a hand out just what is due. Pretty fecking simple concept actually. |
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No it says right in the text from him either doing them from the contacts or through Oro counts.
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In the past when they have changed things, such as lowering badge requirements, you got the badge once the patch took effect. I fail to see how this is any different.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Tell you boss that from now on, all your raises must be retroactive otherwise, HE'S LAME!!!1!!!1!
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You get 2 Emps each time complete all the arcs from DA (cooldown taken into account). I completed all the arcs from DA once I should qualify for the reward.
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Nothing was due you. There was no promise made that this would be retroactive. You are not wronged. You *are* overreacting.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
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If they miss your annual review date and do it two months later you bet the raise is retroactive. However, lets stick to the real issue at hand here in the game and just how lame it is not to be rewarded for doing the work already. I am sorry while you may find that acceptable some don't and rightly so since we are not asking for any kind of a hand out just what is due. Pretty fecking simple concept actually. |
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And there were other badges added later that did not give retroactive rewards simply because there was no counter in effect at the time until the badge was put in.|
Originally Posted by Brynstar
In the past when they have changed things, such as lowering badge requirements, you got the badge once the patch took effect. I fail to see how this is any different.
You get 2 Emps each time complete all the arcs from DA (cooldown taken into account). I completed all the arcs from DA once I should qualify for the reward. |
You got the rewards due you the first time you went through it. *Now* there is an additional reward *from this point on*.
No one has been cheated out of anything.
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wrong thread for this post my bad sorry.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Nothing was due you. There was no promise made that this would be retroactive. You are not wronged. You *are* overreacting.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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If they want to make it retroactive, that's all fine and good. But, as with the premise of this thread and the kneejerk anti-Dev bandwagon going on here, there is nothing *unfair* or *LAME!!1!!!* going on here. You're making a moral statement when you talk about what is *due* you not being granted. That would be an injustice. But there is no injustice here.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Actually I am not overracting when they did promise to bring the patch fix to the live server and it was reasonable to think they meant as it was on BETA. They never said a damm thing about bringing the "fix" to live for RM's only.
Look, take a step back and let us hear from the red letters on this just like when they told us the "fix" was coming today. They can speak for themselves and don't need you throwing up the auto fanboi defense deal here man..just back away and let the DEVS answer PLEASE. |
If you want it granted retroactively, ask for it politely and maturely and without false claims of injustice.
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Ignore my last post I got it TOTALLY mixed up with the stupid converter issue my bad. |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
If they want to make it retroactive, that's all fine and good. But, as with the premise of this thread and the kneejerk anti-Dev bandwagon going on here, there is nothing *unfair* or *LAME!!1!!!* going on here. You're making a moral statement when you talk about what is *due* you not being granted. That is an injustice. There is no injustice here.
If you want it granted retroactively, ask for it politely and maturely and without false claims of injustice. |
I still think it i lame as heck not to award someone for the work done. I never used unfair nor injustice and am really sorry about the last post being mixed up.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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I disagree. I got the rewards for completing each arc when I went through them and this reward was added for completing them all with a week cooldown. When they have added additional rewards for completing things in the past, we have gotten them without doing them over again. |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
And there were other badges added later that did not give retroactive rewards simply because there was no counter in effect at the time until the badge was put in.
You got the rewards due you the first time you went through it. *Now* there is an additional reward *from this point on*. No one has been cheated out of anything. |
TF commander was added in issue 7. If you had the badges required already you didn't have to do them again you just got the accolade when you logged in.
I never said I was cheated out of anything, I just think it's poor form for the devs to not have included that in the implementation of the additional reward.
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K, then.
Here, have some bacon, it will calm the nerves.
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If it's a "fix" - sure, they owe it to people. That's because it was broken and should have been given out in the first place. Just like if the store overcharges, one gets refunded the amount that was overcharged. Same thing. Just making good on their offer, nothing more or less.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
And there were other badges added later that did not give retroactive rewards simply because there was no counter in effect at the time until the badge was put in.
You got the rewards due you the first time you went through it. *Now* there is an additional reward *from this point on*. No one has been cheated out of anything. |
On the other hand, if it was decided the rewards were too low and this is a "new perk", then they don't owe anyone anything. It's new and if one ran it and enjoyed it, well, there you go. Sweeten the pot, then go run it and enjoy it again!
Was it a fix, or a new reward?
Um... wait, CAN it be run again for the e-merits (via Ouro, I presume)? Is this the 20 hour cool down before more e-merits that was discussed in beta?
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The title of your thread would say otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Brynstar
I never said I was cheated out of anything,
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It's a new reward, never part of the original Beta. It was added after datamining showed that that they should bump up the incarnate rewards a soloist can earn in DA.|
Originally Posted by _eeek_
Was it a fix, or a new reward?
Um... wait, CAN it be run again for the e-merits (via Ouro, I presume)? Is this the 20 hour cool down before more e-merits that was discussed in beta? |
It *should* be available via Ouroboros, otherwise the whole repeatable thing doesn't make sense. But, I don't know of any player-confirmed test that this is WAI.
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When Reward Merits were added, you weren't granted merits for each Story Arc|
Originally Posted by Brynstar
I disagree. I got the rewards for completing each arc when I went through them and this reward was added for completing them all with a week cooldown. When they have added additional rewards for completing things in the past, we have gotten them without doing them over again.
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and Task Force badge you had.
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I'm pretty sure this is meant to work when you do them through oroborous.
It's meant to be a guaranted Emp merit for solo players no?
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Here's the problem with your idea: What if for the sake of argument you had a character who since the start of Issue 22 has already run all those arcs three times, not just once. How is the game supposed to know you were supposedly "owed" six Emp merits instead of just two? The answer is that there is -no- way for the game to know that.|
Originally Posted by Brynstar
So I just logged in to DA on a toon that just finished the last arcs yesterday and go to find the new contact that will grant you 2 emps for finishing all of the arcs, only to discover it doesn't count if you have done the arcs prior to him being added??????
Seriously that is beyond weak!!! You're telling me the system can't look into my badges and see all the arc completion badges and grant everyone who has you know DONE them already and grant the 2 Emps? I'm usually very forgiving and understanding of a lot of things, but I'm pretty disappointed in this. |
I think you need to accept the idea that you didn't bother to check the Beta server last week and realize that this new contact was going to be added to the game. You're like a guy who just bought an iPad2 a few weeks ago without realizing Apple was just about to release a new one. Sure it sucks that your timing was bad but that in no way entitles you to get some reward that didn't even exist in the live game until today. *shrugs*
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Or just a team leader, I guess. But maybe someone tagging along? This was added just recently to Beta, the Beta patch notes say:|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
I'm pretty sure this is meant to work when you do them through oroborous.
It's meant to be a guaranted Emp merit for solo players no? |
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Hail, Zombie Man. I am Taskmaster Gabriel. I have arrived here within Dark Astoria to witness this contest of strength between the darkness here and the powers that inhabit Primal Earth. My goal here is to simple observe and reward those who have proven their strength against powerful foes. Taskmaster Gabriel will reward players who are security level 50 two Empyrean merits for weekly completions of all the Dark Astoria story arcs. Accepting Taskmaster Gabriel's mission may reveal spoilers for Dark Astoria content. [Accept text] To prove your strength, you must face the obstacles that this cursed city has created for you. They will hone your abilities and make you stronger than ever. I shall know when you have completed them, whether it be in your present time, or through the use of time travel. Shall we begin? [Yes, let's begin.] Excellent. Speak with me after you have faced everything this cursed city has to throw at you. Complete all of the Dark Astoria arcs and speak with Taskmaster Gabriel again. You may complete them normally, or through Ouroboros. [check with him again and you'll see a list of arcs not completed yet] |
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No but when TF commander was added I was granted it, I didnt have to do them over again. I'm asking for something completely different. I didn't ask for 8 extra threads for each repeatable i've done since I22 dropped. I'm just asking for credit for the arcs that have been done so far.|
Originally Posted by AcceleratorRay
When Reward Merits were added, you weren't granted merits for each Story Arc
and Task Force badge you had. |
The 2 Emps are a reward for having completed the arcs, which was done. I don't think it's unreasonable to get credit for having already completed them the first time.
There are plenty of instances where rewards have been granted retroactivally. I don't understand why it wasn't considered in this case.
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Actually there are very, very few instances of things being retroactively rewarded like that. Your example of Task Force Commander (an accolade badge being added later in the game) being one of the few.|
Originally Posted by Brynstar
No but when TF commander was added I was granted it, I didnt have to do them over again. I'm asking for something completely different. I didn't ask for 8 extra threads for each repeatable i've done since I22 dropped. I'm just asking for credit for the arcs that have been done so far.
The 2 Emps are a reward for having completed the arcs, which was done. I don't think it's unreasonable to get credit for having already completed them the first time. There are plenty of instances where rewards have been granted retroactivally. I don't understand why it wasn't considered in this case. |
I understand your attempt to equate the TF Commander badge to something like this but you are talking apples and oranges. As I pointed out a given character may have already run the new DA arcs ANY number of times prior to today. That information was not kept anywhere in the game so no "retroactive" reward can be given for that. Checking to see if a given character has the new DA arc badges can't be used for this - sorry.
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So I just logged in to DA on a toon that just finished the last arcs yesterday and go to find the new contact that will grant you 2 emps for finishing all of the arcs, only to discover it doesn't count if you have done the arcs prior to him being added??????
Seriously that is beyond weak!!!
You're telling me the system can't look into my badges and see all the arc completion badges and grant everyone who has you know DONE them already and grant the 2 Emps?
I'm usually very forgiving and understanding of a lot of things, but I'm pretty disappointed in this.
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