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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
12 billion influence in about fifteen minutes and I didn't even have my evil plan in mind before logging on in the first place. The stake through the heart of high purple prices? Let's hope so.
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the market is crashed to low im gonna wait till it comes back a little... if eva.
But thanks converters still dont know what im gonna do with it all. Got about 200 more junk ios to use so i guess ill never need to buy another thing again.
good luck all.
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I expect the market to crash for a bit, then recover (but not to previous prices of course).|
Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
made about 10 then stopped
the market is crashed to low im gonna wait till it comes back a little... if eva. But thanks converters still dont know what im gonna do with it all. Got about 200 more junk ios to use so i guess ill never need to buy another thing again. good luck all. |
There's still a limited number of purple recipes out there, so they're not going to suddenly become cheap as dirt. I just don't know what the new price will be. ^_^
Darn you, work! Why am I stuck here?
I have a bunch of bids in for purple recipes that I want at relatively low prices... hoping those fill today.
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Bringing these to live for AM's and EM's has still not been done and needs to be done soon for these to be viewed as anything other than a veiled attempt to get people to buy moar Supergamble Packs for RM's.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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I'm interested to see who else made inf. and how much they made before the bubble burst. I'm all stocked up, but there is no way I'll be able to make it in game until well after the fireworks have started.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
12 billion influence in about fifteen minutes and I didn't even have my evil plan in mind before logging on in the first place. The stake through the heart of high purple prices? Let's hope so.
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You're right, Darth. There is no way they were making a mistake after playing all weekend. There is no way they were trying to encourage large-team play by making Reward Merits have some other value than fodder for Alignment Merits. There is no way they were trying to throw a bone to Rogues and Vigilantes.
Maybe it was a profit-hunting move. But saying "There is no way" it was anything else just makes you look unusually bad.
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I know that it is a popular thing around here to quote someone then insert "other" words not used by the person quoted, but this case is worse than normal. Reading what I actually said I NEVER said "There is no way". |
Originally Posted by Fulmens
You're right, Darth. There is no way they were making a mistake after playing all weekend. There is no way they were trying to encourage large-team play by making Reward Merits have some other value than fodder for Alignment Merits. There is no way they were trying to throw a bone to Rogues and Vigilantes.
Maybe it was a profit-hunting move. But saying "There is no way" it was anything else just makes you look unusually bad. |
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| Bringing these to live for AM's and EM's has still not been done and needs to be done soon for these to be viewed as anything other than a veiled attempt to get people to buy moar Supergamble Packs for RM's. |
Allowing them to be bought like on BETA with AM's, EM's, HM's AND RM's throws EVERYONE a bone and screws nobody. The way they did it screws the AM, EM and HM savers. RM's come from Supergamble Packs in droves.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Hey, good point.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
There is no way they were trying to throw a bone to Rogues and Vigilantes.
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Hew in drag baby
They need to do X "for this to be viewed as anything other than" Y.
There is no way to view this as anything other than Y, because they did not do X.
Fair enough, it was an imperfect paraphrase and poor use of quotation marks.
I stlil came up with three other ways to view it and I wasn't working that hard.
Meanwhile, you're mad because you made a big bet that Live would work just like Beta, which is a guarantee they explicitly do NOT make.
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As a matter of fact, that twelve billion cost me all 1500 reward merits that my rogue had been sitting on. Decided to call it good there. Still, in the future the existence of converters definitely makes the grey alignments more tempting since now there's a pretty cool prize that you in no way miss out on.
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You may be making an assumption that I had some marketing loss and no that has nothing to do with it. I just don't do a tremendous amount of RM material vs the AM, EM and HM activity that I do so getting things in the game via those up to now equal ways was just that equal.|
Originally Posted by Fulmens
They need to do X "for this to be viewed as anything other than" Y.
There is no way to view this as anything other than Y, because they did not do X. Fair enough, it was an imperfect paraphrase and poor use of quotation marks. I stlil came up with three other ways to view it and I wasn't working that hard. Meanwhile, you're mad because you made a big bet that Live would work just like Beta, which is a guarantee they explicitly do NOT make. |
ATO's came out for AM's and other methods on BETA that was sent to live and the expectation of that kind of uniformity is the standard. YMMV.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
I made about 10 bill total today. When I had a hard time selling a high end apoc at 250mil I called it quits. Thanks Converters!
Apparently the lack of ability to buy converters with anything but Reward Merits was not intentional. It is slated to be fixed next time they patch, which naturally could be anything from next week to next month or more.
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Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
So all of the insults and complaining were over a bug? Something the devs had no control over? Go figure.
I haven't done a final tally, but about 25-30 billion I think. I didn't sell everything; I just wanted to skim some of the cream off the top, so to speak.
So... if the market has crashed... you're all buying now, right?
I gotta make pain. I gotta make things right. I gotta stop what's comin'. 'Least I gotta try.
Once i heard about server downtime i rushed home from work. I made about 150 bil off PvP procs. Thx i22!!!
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I don't think we've seen the bottom yet on a number of items, and I don't think they'll rebound anytime soon (and not by much when they do). I plan to put out bids on anything that my scrapper alt still needs, but that's it.|
Originally Posted by Shred_Monkey
So... if the market has crashed... you're all buying now, right?
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*edit* And I only need 2 purples out of the 15 that I want to slot into my scrapper. I have multiples of everything else from the conversions I made. There's no good reason for me to be buying right now.
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At the right price, yes. Markets always overcorrect.
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So... if the market has crashed... you're all buying now, right?
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I just understand how people made so much influence off this... makes me sad as I am currently "struggling" with around 150Mil total on my toons... good thing I don't have any big projects lined up in the near future.
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In the Updater right click on the regular City of Heroes button and select Properties. You'll see the version of the build that went live today, which includes a timestamp of 20120314 (I think). That means the Enhancement Converters were coded, possibly reviewed, and committed by 3/14. Double XP weekend has nothing to do with this.|
Originally Posted by Fulmens
You're right, Darth. There is no way they were making a mistake after playing all weekend. There is no way they were trying to encourage large-team play by making Reward Merits have some other value than fodder for Alignment Merits. There is no way they were trying to throw a bone to Rogues and Vigilantes.
Maybe it was a profit-hunting move. But saying "There is no way" it was anything else just makes you look unusually bad. |
Intentionally making Reward Merits more valuable than other Merits by selling new things initially only for Reward Merits is possible, but there's no basis for making such a claim that I've ever heard. And this goes against the current push which is for Incarnate Trials which I think just give Astrals and Emps.
Rogues and Vigilantes already have a bone, they can do content on both side. All of the smart people were Rogues and Vigilantes after Going Rogue came out. There was no bone for true heroes or villains till Alignment Merits came out. Regardless, I don't see how not selling Enhancement Converters to Heroes or Villains particularly helps Rogues or Vigilantes. That doesn't seem relevant.
Are you just arguing or did you really mean all that stuff?
It is certainly possible that Enhancement Converters were fixed badly, either by someone who didn't know what they were doing or by someone who didn't have time to think about what they were doing. Then they were committed either without any review or by someone who didn't have the time or competence to properly review the change. The changes may have been tested. Then they were put into production, and after we complained about it they were listed as known to be broken. Maybe internal testing found that they were broken, but there were a lot of fixes in this build. It would not have been appropriate to hold it up due to Enhancement Converters even if they were known to be partially broken. That's a really simple business decision.
It's sad that multiple people dropped the ball, and those of us who have been looking forward to and preparing for Enhancement Converters for upwards of 4 months have to wait even longer. It's sad that the focus of the world today is on profit, do it well enough to attract customers, but you don't have time to do it right, because you have to work on the next big thing to attract customers. I can see someone in NCSoft saying, "Well at least some people will have Enhancement Converters, that's good enough." It's sad that we as customers have to deal with this, because every MMO does it.
But it's also sad that this could have been done intentionally to increase sales of Super Packs. A smart Marketing weasel could have said, "What would it take to sell more Super Packs? We already have unique costume codes. ATOs aren't doing it. People have complained about getting too many Reward Merits. Maybe if we made Reward Merits better somehow. What would make people want a lot of Reward Merits?" This isn't some conspiracy theory. People are really paid to think up things like that.
Finally, It's sad that I would really consider this, and that other people would consider it possible as well.
Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
I've moved on to Diablo 3, TopDoc-1304
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About 30 billion in sales here, mostly from PvP IOs. But I also unslotted/respeced out of about 60B worth of stuff and sold it over the last month (I'm a very casual marketeer, and only had maybe 10B in liquid funds when scraped together), while using the proceeds to buy up over 650 trash purples, hundreds of pvp ios, hundreds of garbage-grade ATOs, and a huge variety of other things. (I have stacks and stacks of Kinetic Combat: Knockdown, low level Blessing of the Zephyr: Travel speed, L20 Miracle: junk/junk, gobs and gobs of Steadfast Protection: resist/end, etc)|
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I'm interested to see who else made inf. and how much they made before the bubble burst. I'm all stocked up, but there is no way I'll be able to make it in game until well after the fireworks have started.
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It's amazing how much worthless built-up cruft there was. Like you can still see a bunch of my Steadfast end/res buys. I only paid 11k per recipe, and have hundreds now. (Wow does the recipe storage/AH slot increase seem like a bargain on the Paragon Store now!) An in-set conversion of steadfast can ONLY become something good - either KB or res/def, both of which are worth good money at low levels.
I'm going to post a little tale of my escapades with some screenshots in the next couple days, along with a converter guide, since I wrote a simulator to double check the "odds" on conversions.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I'm interested to see who else made inf. and how much they made before the bubble burst. I'm all stocked up, but there is no way I'll be able to make it in game until well after the fireworks have started.
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I can't comment on the whys, but I think it's very likely that it wasn't intentional. Just a boneheaded hasty "fix".
I can forgive the initial bug -- let that be a lesson about special-casing stuff to work on beta and making it impossible to tell if it'll actually work when pushed live or not.
But seriously, knowing that was the cause, come on, fix it right instead of just doing a quick band-aid.
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I believe there are a large number of possibilities. I believe that "selling more Super Packs" is one, but only one, of those possiblities. I believe there is at least one other, very plausible, possibility. I believe in poor decisions, weird bugs, unintended consequences and human error. I've seen all those things, often in the first person.
| Are you just arguing or did you really mean all that stuff? |
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12 billion influence in about fifteen minutes and I didn't even have my evil plan in mind before logging on in the first place. The stake through the heart of high purple prices? Let's hope so.