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I think you spelled things out in a way that I think about it, but maybe I did a less than stellar job in conveying it.
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Originally Posted by Codewalker
I can't comment on the whys, but I think it's very likely that it wasn't intentional. Just a boneheaded hasty "fix".
I can forgive the initial bug -- let that be a lesson about special-casing stuff to work on beta and making it impossible to tell if it'll actually work when pushed live or not. But seriously, knowing that was the cause, come on, fix it right instead of just doing a quick band-aid. |
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Expand means longer. Dumb it down means shorter. Which do you want?
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Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
I am not sure what your saying? please expand on this thought so i can understand. Im sure im just stupid but please dumb it down
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Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
I've moved on to Diablo 3, TopDoc-1304
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So are you refusing to buy Converters using reward merits?
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Originally Posted by TopDoc
In the Updater right click on the regular City of Heroes button and select Properties. You'll see the version of the build that went live today, which includes a timestamp of 20120314 (I think). That means the Enhancement Converters were coded, possibly reviewed, and committed by 3/14. Double XP weekend has nothing to do with this.
Intentionally making Reward Merits more valuable than other Merits by selling new things initially only for Reward Merits is possible, but there's no basis for making such a claim that I've ever heard. And this goes against the current push which is for Incarnate Trials which I think just give Astrals and Emps. Rogues and Vigilantes already have a bone, they can do content on both side. All of the smart people were Rogues and Vigilantes after Going Rogue came out. There was no bone for true heroes or villains till Alignment Merits came out. Regardless, I don't see how not selling Enhancement Converters to Heroes or Villains particularly helps Rogues or Vigilantes. That doesn't seem relevant. Are you just arguing or did you really mean all that stuff? It is certainly possible that Enhancement Converters were fixed badly, either by someone who didn't know what they were doing or by someone who didn't have time to think about what they were doing. Then they were committed either without any review or by someone who didn't have the time or competence to properly review the change. The changes may have been tested. Then they were put into production, and after we complained about it they were listed as known to be broken. Maybe internal testing found that they were broken, but there were a lot of fixes in this build. It would not have been appropriate to hold it up due to Enhancement Converters even if they were known to be partially broken. That's a really simple business decision. It's sad that multiple people dropped the ball, and those of us who have been looking forward to and preparing for Enhancement Converters for upwards of 4 months have to wait even longer. It's sad that the focus of the world today is on profit, do it well enough to attract customers, but you don't have time to do it right, because you have to work on the next big thing to attract customers. I can see someone in NCSoft saying, "Well at least some people will have Enhancement Converters, that's good enough." It's sad that we as customers have to deal with this, because every MMO does it. But it's also sad that this could have been done intentionally to increase sales of Super Packs. A smart Marketing weasel could have said, "What would it take to sell more Super Packs? We already have unique costume codes. ATOs aren't doing it. People have complained about getting too many Reward Merits. Maybe if we made Reward Merits better somehow. What would make people want a lot of Reward Merits?" This isn't some conspiracy theory. People are really paid to think up things like that. Finally, It's sad that I would really consider this, and that other people would consider it possible as well. |
I'll end up making 4-5 billion, all from purples. The PVP IOs I bought were a waste of money. I didn't expect the market on gladiator's armor to crash as fast and as hard as it did, but I only spent about 500 million on them.
Overall I'm quite pleased with how things turned out. And what's best is that 500 million inf insured that I'll never have to buy another miracle, numina's, steadfast protection, or regenerative tissue again. And I'm set on LotG and kinetic combats for awhile.
" The PVP IOs I bought were a waste of money."
... it's not a waste of money until you sell it. I expect at least SOME bounceback. There may be enough PVP IO's to get every child a Glad 3% Defense, but I doubt it.
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If I'd been home, I'd have made billions.
Instead, I got a bunch of useful Purples and PVPs. Or will have, once I Convert them.
*shrugs*
All good here.
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True, they won't be a complete waste of money. Even the current ~200 million for a gladiator's armor is in most cases 40-50 times what I paid for the PVP IOs. At the moment though, the limited supply of converters I have is much better spent converting the junk purples that I bought.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
" The PVP IOs I bought were a waste of money."
... it's not a waste of money until you sell it. I expect at least SOME bounceback. There may be enough PVP IO's to get every child a Glad 3% Defense, but I doubt it. |
I'm inclined to agree, at least in part with TopDoc's assessment about the Super Packs.
What else would most of the vet players do with all those reward merits anyway? I'm just glad that I didn't speculate at all - except to buy some celerity run's and ends, steadfast res/ends, kin combat procs and end/recharges from resist damage sets.
Just for kicks, I did get quite lucky my first couple of conversions with PvP IOs. I bought two javelins for 60 million each. It took me ONE conversion for each to turn one into a panacea and the other into a glad armor. Then, 3 converters to turn the panacea into the proc, and the glad into the 3%def. This was undoubtedly best case scenario. Because it was so easy, I tried again and blew 540 reward merits (54 converters ) to turn a third javelin into a 2nd glad proc. That one should be easily sold for 300m - at least I think so. If not, I'll toss it into one toon or another.
I realize that some of our better marketers might be a bit upset about the reward merit only option - but I think that this is a good thing. At least, it will be in the long run. With fewer reward merits available - it won't be too long before the next alt for a player will need those 5 lotg 7.5% - and that player won't have many reward merits left. Eventually, those prices will creep upward. Not as much as they used to be, I wouldn't think, but they will get higher.
Those of you with untold billions of inf - relax, take your shoes off and set a spell. Patience is a virtue. Just like Dow Jones - some prices go up, some go down, some stay the same. But, like any economy, when the government prints more money without gold to back it, there is inflation. And you may be assured - they will print more money. (figuratively speaking)
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Not yet. When we got the super packs, the prices on LotG +recharge and Miracle +recovery took a couple of days to crater.
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So... if the market has crashed... you're all buying now, right?
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um, Microsoft does it. So does just about every other software company.
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It's sad that the focus of the world today is on profit, do it well enough to attract customers, but you don't have time to do it right, because you have to work on the next big thing to attract customers. I can see someone in NCSoft saying, "Well at least some people will have Enhancement Converters, that's good enough." It's sad that we as customers have to deal with this, because every MMO does it.
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Converters don't make them account bound?!
Okay, now must rush home and play with the converters before this gets squashed.
As far as ridiculous price swings go, there's always some jackass with waaay too many billions to care what they pay for something they want right now.
I bought sooo many ATOs, purples and such preparing just to pimp out my toons.
It would be ironic/epic if the email system were to crash tonight...
Tru
Great game while it lasts.
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Of course not, why would I refuse? I don't see how anything I said would make you think that.|
Originally Posted by Granite Agent
So are you refusing to buy Converters using reward merits?
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I have between 0 and 49 Reward Merits on lots of characters. The level 50s run Incarnate stuff for Incarnate rewards, with a rare lower level TF when it's the weekly one. In general they won't earn many or any more Reward Merits, so I'll buy whatever Converters I can using that. I hadn't planned on it, but I will since Alignment Merits aren't an option. That's certainly a better option than doing a random roll.
Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
I've moved on to Diablo 3, TopDoc-1304
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Converters do not make the resulting new enhancement account bound. As far as I've experienced so far, they can be used, traded, or sold without limitation.
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Converters don't make them account bound?!
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It would be more proper to say converters don't change their trading status because Boosted IOs are semi-character bound (if you trade them to another person, the boost is stripped). You can convert Boosted IOs and they remain Boosted IOs and, thus, semi-character bound.
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Converters do not make the resulting new enhancement account bound. As far as I've experienced so far, they can be used, traded, or sold without limitation.
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My converter plans were sort of spoiled temporarily. First, they can't be traded across my account. This is problematic because my base is on Virtue but my characters with a crapton of converters (and the means to produce more) are on Freedom. This means I spent way too long emailing my enhancements.
After that was out of the way, I had over 50 recipes to craft and then convert. Here's the next hitch: I underestimated salvage costs, a lot. Paying 2 mil for a piece of rare salvage is something I can do, but pieces were going for 3-5 million tonight. I needed 2 per recipe and I had enough of the recipes to craft that I wasn't comfortable making the up front investment of paying 'buy it now' prices for the salvage, even though I could easily afford to do so and probably still make a profit.
What I ended up doing is leaving bulk lowball bids for the rare salvage. I'm afraid to overpay for it and then have a million other people selling the same exact items I'm selling, making my stuff completely worthless and losing the return on the investment in salvage. I also don't use AE tickets for salvage because I can make so much more per ticket doing bronze recipe rolls, and I'm stingy.
Anyways that was my enhancement converter introductory nightmare. Thanks for reading.
I did what I wanted with converters. I got everything I need for my main scrappers upcoming rebuild, and made a few bn inf plus now have a stock of PVP IOs
I've noticed the market has rebounded a bit on some stuff already (Glad def procs were down to 200-250m yesterday, back up to 400m now)
The converter RNG was pretty good to me last night. Did a quick check this morning and 23-25Bil looks to be my tally across my accounts.
Grabbed some additional PVP supply for cheap to be ready for the rebound. Will be using vet tokens as well to get more SPs/reward merits.
Fun times!
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While I don't have an awesome 20 Billion inf story I did log on to 400 million worth of sales in my old tried and true niche (thanks 2xp!) and then played just a bit with converters. Probably overall it was a 1.5-2 billion dollar day give or take outstanding sales and bids. It's been fun though, just figuring out what works and what doesn't.
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I put a big dent in the glad armor procs. Made 56billion INF from the PvP procs after around 18k+ Reward merits. 56bill in 2days. My average on getting a glad proc (out of set roll = 6, in set 2) Before I flooded the market, it dropped to 250-300 real real fast. But now I see a steady stream of 350+ since im out of reward merits.
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Originally Posted by Death_Badger
I did what I wanted with converters. I got everything I need for my main scrappers upcoming rebuild, and made a few bn inf plus now have a stock of PVP IOs
I've noticed the market has rebounded a bit on some stuff already (Glad def procs were down to 200-250m yesterday, back up to 400m now) |
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This is ludicrously lucky.
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(out of set roll = 6, in set 2)
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Bull pile to the side, I did buy a lucky 7-11-21 lottery ticket and did win 500. Must be the new pet. And threw $100bucks into PP for the up-and-coming Staff and paragon reward tokens.
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This is ludicrously lucky.
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I took the angle of selling every one of my level 50 glad armor procs for 2 billion each on the market in the 5 weeks leading up to converters - including everything that was slotted (respecs and free unslotters) on my horde of twinked out 50's.
Even after rebuying all my glad armor procs back I made far far more than 20 billion 
Pocketed 1.8 billion per IO sold - rebuy at 300 mill or less each, 1.5 billion profit or more each. I "reverse flipped" over 30 of them this way, lol. Probably my highest profit margin endeavor ever. I didnt expect the initial rush of IO's to hit the market to cause the price to tank that low. I expected to have to wait longer to rebuy, but this looks like it was the sweet spot.
Richest player gets richer 
Over the hills and through the woods.
Intentionally making Reward Merits more valuable than other Merits by selling new things initially only for Reward Merits is possible, but there's no basis for making such a claim that I've ever heard. And this goes against the current push which is for Incarnate Trials which I think just give Astrals and Emps.
Rogues and Vigilantes already have a bone, they can do content on both side. All of the smart people were Rogues and Vigilantes after Going Rogue came out. There was no bone for true heroes or villains till Alignment Merits came out. Regardless, I don't see how not selling Enhancement Converters to Heroes or Villains particularly helps Rogues or Vigilantes. That doesn't seem relevant.
Are you just arguing or did you really mean all that stuff?
It is certainly possible that Enhancement Converters were fixed badly, either by someone who didn't know what they were doing or by someone who didn't have time to think about what they were doing. Then they were committed either without any review or by someone who didn't have the time or competence to properly review the change. The changes may have been tested. Then they were put into production, and after we complained about it they were listed as known to be broken. Maybe internal testing found that they were broken, but there were a lot of fixes in this build. It would not have been appropriate to hold it up due to Enhancement Converters even if they were known to be partially broken. That's a really simple business decision.
It's sad that multiple people dropped the ball, and those of us who have been looking forward to and preparing for Enhancement Converters for upwards of 4 months have to wait even longer. It's sad that the focus of the world today is on profit, do it well enough to attract customers, but you don't have time to do it right, because you have to work on the next big thing to attract customers. I can see someone in NCSoft saying, "Well at least some people will have Enhancement Converters, that's good enough." It's sad that we as customers have to deal with this, because every MMO does it.
But it's also sad that this could have been done intentionally to increase sales of Super Packs. A smart Marketing weasel could have said, "What would it take to sell more Super Packs? We already have unique costume codes. ATOs aren't doing it. People have complained about getting too many Reward Merits. Maybe if we made Reward Merits better somehow. What would make people want a lot of Reward Merits?" This isn't some conspiracy theory. People are really paid to think up things like that.
Finally, It's sad that I would really consider this, and that other people would consider it possible as well.