i22 Mids Update??

IMHO, I'd like to see it go live when the new powerset goes live.
That is an even narrower timeline than what Kheldarn said.
The powersets are in beta, so the bulk of the work could be done before the release.

However, before people only see that and don't keep reading....
I know Kheld, and i'm sure by his responses to the negative feedback he got, that he didn't mean it in a ********* way, just like my statement.

We didn't say we demand, just that we'd like to see a speedier update to Mids. We also know that it is a free service, and people dedicate their free time so we can use it, so we know as much as we'd like for it to be faster, we know it will come out when it's done, i'm fine with that, and i know Kheld is too.

We all like to have something, yes, even you. And the difference between 'I'd like to have a million $' or 'I demand a million $' is, as you know, a lot.

I'd like to see Paragon Studios help out the Mids team, in anyway they can. Be it some inside info in powersets and such to actual data regarding powersets so that people can even use it while in Beta to test the limits and such. The incorporation into the game aspect what someone mentioned would be a very great QoL. I'd really like to see this happen, and if that means that the Mids team become part of the staff, i'll be the 1st to say gratz.
I'd like to see this happen, i really do. Will it happen? I'm not counting on it, just like i'm not counting on Mids having an update within 24 hours.

Thank you Mids team for one hell of a great program you made and maintain in your own time and on your own dime!
I spend countless hours just studying my builds using Mids, and i seriously can't imagine not having Mids... the wait for the i22 update will be worth it, i'm sure of it.

Grrr... Sorry if you saw a strange post from Belle, she was logged in on the forums when I made it. Anyway, as I said on the wrong account...

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Originally Posted by Kheldarn And I have no problem with that, or with Dellian and Co. I merely said that it would be nice if an update for Mids' came out within 24 hours of a Issue going Live. And suddenly, I'm an *******.

For what it's worth, I didn't read your post that way, and I still like you.

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Originally Posted by Capa_Devans I thought Mids used to be updated much more quickly previously but put it down to my poor memory. Guess my memory is fine and the updates have got slower. I do understand the point that "well we do it for free so deal" - I do voluntary work in my own time - but if the turn around is so poor that someone else can do it better ... I let them because "I'm doing it for nothing" doesn't mean "I will do it when I'm good and ready".

We do make a diligent effort to make the turnaround as quick as possible. Please keep in mind that it's not just a simple matter of punching numbers into a database. In most issues lately, the devs have made a lot of changes in mechanics that have to be accounted for and the GUI updated to allow people to work with those changes. For Issue 22, Diellan is trying to incorporate Archetype enhancements in before releasing it.

I just ask they get labeled correctly - ATOs - they aren't inventions.

I would love to see CoH plunk down some cash to Mids' creator, and whoever else designed the software. It really irks me that they have made a section of the forums for mids' builds, the red names themselves use it - it obviously has value - yet CoH hasn't put out their own version or bought it and made it part of the game.

In tough times like we have now, it's very cool to see that there are some people who play around with code because they enjoy it - at least on some level.

The written word is a wonderful thing - but it can lack intonation, inflection and pitch. So, it's tough to say who's whining, who's complaining, if anyone.

Suffice it to say, when it's ready, it's ready. It's part of the reason I usually wait a few months before I even consider trying the new powersets. Heck, I just did start to level up a dark/dark blaster and a Street Justice brute. I have plenty to keep me busy until the next update.

In other news, is the online planner from Suckerpunch ever coming back?

I would occasionally use it at work when I wanted to check such and such, but the last few times I've tried it's giving me a site maint notice.

I've always considered the phrase "It would be nice if X was done" as a passive-aggressive way to imply that somebody isn't doing their job.

It would be nice if you had dinner ready when I got home from work.

It would be nice if someone top off the gas tank when they use the car.

It would be nice if someone took out the garbage without needing to be ask.

It would be nice if someone else brought the beer on game night.

It would be nice if Mid's was updated within 24 hours of a new Issue going live.

See the pattern.

Mid's is a volunteer effort just as the rest of Titan's is. You can get all bent out of shape over something you pay for but don't badmouth, even indirectly, when someone else is doing you a favor for free. Mid's is what, the fourth character planning tool, at least the fourth I'm aware of (CoH Hero Builder, CoH Planner, SuckerPunch's, Mid's). What would min/maxers do if Mid's simply stopped updating? Would those players quit the game?

Sorry but that phrase really bugs me to no end.

I'm guessing it was a lot easier back in the days of the Fab 15. Issue 15, for example, was pretty much "we're tweaking the numbers on dominators powers and that's it". If the Devs did that, 24 hours wouldn't be a problem. :P

Meanwhile, this Issue has the Assassin Strike change (a retooling of a mechanic that requires me to make changes to how I implemented the Power Override), the AT IOs, a complete overhaul of the Interface procs, extension of enhancements to Lore pets, etc. etc. Amazingly enough, this is the first time in a while that new powersets don't have new mecha... oh, wait, Beast Mastery is coming soon and I'd like to throw that in, too. >.<

And, for the record, even though I'd love to get paid for this, I couldn't give up my current job for anything that wasn't full time and equivalent pay (and part time isn't an option, given my position), and I can't see the Paragon Studios people doing that just for Mids - admittedly, if I could work 40 hours a week on Mids, you'd have a brand new thing that worked on all devices within a month or two.

The Devs are pretty supportive, though, and we do get access to the data during beta, but it's been a sort of "unspoken agreement" that we don't release anything that isn't on the live servers. I don't think we'd change that without some kind of conversation with the Devs, especially Black Pebble, for reasons that are obvious.

I wanted to get in some of this stuff ahead of time, but the Devs didn't confer with me when making their plans, so I got stuck in a confluence of "SXSW is coming soon and the CEO wants to show something off there", "exams for my night classes are in late February", "Purim = no weekend programming", and, just for fun, "five days of random virus!". I've got Mids opened in my other window right now, and while it isn't ready yet, I'm trying really hard to get it to you guys asap. The new powersets are in, I'm currently tweaking some issues with the Assassin Strike update, and then its on to finalizing the AT IOs.

Meh. The complainers will complain regardless of what you can do. Take it easy, get it right and do so without adding any undue stress. The grand majority of the users (us silent but grateful masses) will appreciate it!

The opposite is also a thing: once we're an official offering, then people will start looking at things like "Mids doesn't support pvp DR" as a conspiracy of the Devs. Right now, if something doesn't happen, you can be sure it's simply "Dylan doesn't have time".

My problem with this push to make sure that everyone knows that "ATIO" is wrong is that everything except DO and SO with an "O" in it is wrong, because none of them have anything to do with Origins.

Sure, some of them you can stretch the definition to, but it's always been for the sake of convenience, not correctness. Why do people suddenly care now? And then, why only care about this?

Because.... the 'Origin' of SO and DO which referred to the one of the five 'origins' of super powers got expanded to mean the 'origin' of the Enhancement. What is the origin of the Enhancements you can use in the low levels? They *originate* from Trainers, thus, they're Trainer Origins Enhancements, and thus, TOs.

What is the origin of the Enhancements you get from fighting the Hamidon? They're Hamidon originated Enhancements, and thus, Hami-Os, or, HOs.

If they originated from recipes from the Invention system, they're IOs.

Origin is Bought from the Store? SBOs. Originated for specific ArcheTypes? ATOs.

Putting the "I" in ATOs would be something that's clearly wrong since the ATOs do not come from the Invention system -- they're not crafted. That's why we don't call the other Enhancements TIOs, DIOs, SIOs, or HIOs.

Using "-Os" to designate Enhancements is a 8 year old convention of CoH used by players and devs alike. It ain't gonna change.

The preceding was a Zombie Origin post. For more, ZOs, contact your local provider or send a self-addressed, stamped envelope with as much cash as you can spare to Bionic Flea, General Delivery, Paragon City, RI.