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I disagree. I think they work pretty well together. Aside from lots of -to hit stacking, /Dark offers an additional stun to stack with HoD, stealth to help positioning with HoD, a slow patch to help keep enemies inside Shadow Field (which has no -runspeed of its own), and a moderate amount of +def to work with all that -to hit. Admittedly, Fire/Dark also looks like it will have some nice synergies (stacking stuns, +recovery to offset Fire's endurance hungry powers, and -resistance to amplify damage). However, I don't think Dark/Dark is lacking in synergy at all.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
You know I've been thinking what would be good to pair with Darkness Affinity.
Dark/Dark doesn't really synergize well, I think, beyond the -tohit aspect. Fire/Dark though....hmm.... I was leaning towards Ice/Dark since Ice is primarily melee oriented too but...hmm... |
I can tell you from running a dark/dark fully slotted at 50 on freedom, dark/dark rocks!
I've got fireball for extra damage and i'm having great fun!
The -tohit is insane!
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I've gone with a Dark/Time Steampunk type which is a lot of fun. Fearsome Stare plus that PBAOE toggle = everything is quivering in fear and has their ToHit nerfed into the ground. At level 8. There just seems to be a lot of toys to play with in both sets.
No idea what the beasties are like though.
It also looks pretty good (that could be my new PC though).
Plant/Dark sounds really nice as well, mainly due to my unnatural Creeper lust (I must get that treated).
Playing Dark/Dark, and I have to say...it goes together REALLY well, you can just flat out debuff mobs to the floor...the damage is nice, I can't wait for the new Mids to get out so I can put together a solid build instead of trying to substitute in the current version to make things close.
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Hmm...Obviously you have not played a Dark/Dark troller to 40-50 because this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Dark/Dark doesn't really synergize well, I think, beyond the -tohit aspect.
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I rolled up Dark/Time; it looked like it should be effective and I'd never played a Time character. The Dark/Dark combo is interesting, but I've played Dark Miasma to 50 twice and to the 30's 3 times and the dark secondary is really similar.
At this point After Midknight is only 6 and way too young to know for sure but it looks promising.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Hmm...Obviously you have not played a Dark/Dark troller to 40-50 because this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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To me, again I say to me, I don't see the "synergy" that dark/dark has (beyond the -tohit).
I'm thinking of a play style I guess. Dark primary has (for controls), excluding ST attacks since all primaries have the same ST attacks, a pbaoe stun, location based hold, a cone fear, cone immob. and then pets.
Dark secondary's new powers (pbaoe +def and pbaoe +hp/recovery) would be best suited, again to me, to a primary where you're in melee a lot (or more than usual).
I see the Dark primary as more of a ranged primary especially with the cone immob. and cone fear. Only melee power is the pbaoe stun.
So a primary like Ice or Fire where more AoE powers are melee oriented (Artic Air, Hot Feet and both Ice and Fire have PBAoE holds, etc...) makes sense, again to me, for darkness affinity.
Am I saying Dark/Dark Controller is bad, pathetic or people are stupid for choosing that combo? Absolutely not! I just don't see the play style synergy.
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One just needs to open the eyes and mind to see what has been there all the time. I guess this is going to be turned into a YMMV thing and I am cool with that.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
I just don't see the play style synergy.
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Ill/dark up to 30 with mine, super fun...i am not really into Trollers at all and this ones just a blast too play...lots of pets!!!!
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Yup yup Ill/Dark has been long desired by many here for years and it is a wonderful combo.
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Originally Posted by StupidlySmart
Ill/dark up to 30 with mine, super fun...i am not really into Trollers at all and this ones just a blast too play...lots of pets!!!!
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Having now mucked about with dark/time up to 22 I must profess my enjoyment of the combination. Easily the supportiest character I've ever created, to say nothing of enjoyed, yet it's a blast to have such myriad tricks up one's sleeve. I may end up getting heal badges! I thought they were but legend...
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:shrug: I already played Sonic to 50 with Illusion. He's my favorite character but I know it's not because of Sonic. I really wish they would show the set some love 
I want to try a Dark/Kin but I want to test it out in BETA and not just level it to 50 to be disappointed. I wish the devs were still doing level bumps.
Dark/Time. Great combo, main drawback seems to be a you want pretty much every power in each set and may be slightly starved for slots.
Will probably give Illusion/Dark a spin soon too.
Dark/Dark and loving it. Such a flexible and versatile set, and the synergy with /DAff is very tasty IMO. :-)
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Ok, tried dark/time and ill/dark
both seem strong but ill/dark is just perfect for me...
Now if I can figure a way to cap ranged def and perma PA this will be my all time favourite controller I think... wow.
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Shadowfall and Darkest Night should really help you out.
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Originally Posted by Spiritchaser
Ok, tried dark/time and ill/dark
both seem strong but ill/dark is just perfect for me... Now if I can figure a way to cap ranged def and perma PA this will be my all time favourite controller I think... wow. |
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Myriad tricks is an excellent way to describe it. So many toys. For a few missions yesterday I was the only support on a team of a Tank, scrapper, stalker and a couple of brutes and it was just amazing how little I had to heal and how much control I was able to drop. At least 2 AOE tools per spawn, generally. |
Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
Having now mucked about with dark/time up to 22 I must profess my enjoyment of the combination. Easily the supportiest character I've ever created, to say nothing of enjoyed, yet it's a blast to have such myriad tricks up one's sleeve. I may end up getting heal badges! I thought they were but legend...
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Then an Illusion/Emp joined in and it got silly with all the stacked Fearing. So much so that after a mission they actually said "I can't believe how little healing I have to do" with the tank saying "Yeah, I know", which I chose to take as an indirect compliment
Level 30 now as I'm timing it to hit 32 just after the Lassie fixes go live. So still at least 3 excellent powers to get (well two excellent one from Time and Lassie) before dipping into my APP (which I'm still contemplating. Primal is the obvious choice, especially if I could rejig to get Vengie into my build somehow but I went that route on my Plant/Empathy and I'm a bit bored of it so I might be more selfish this time around). I'm actually tempted to go for Earth. It's been ages since I used the Earth APP and it's one of my favourites.
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Shadowfall yes.|
Originally Posted by Tater Todd
Shadowfall and Darkest Night should really help you out.
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Darkest night can be rather heavily resisted by the big bads. Sure, as a general rule, phantom army will NOT be resisted by the big bads, but even so, I'll probably try and 45-cap at least ranged, and maybe ranged + S\L. I only have time to play 2-3 characters at once these days so all I've saved up in more than half a decade can be respecced into 2-3 characters. I think this guy is going to be more than worth it.
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If you have Perma-PA, you shouldn't need Ranged Defense, especially with the ToHit Debuff and Defense buff in Dark. Just let PA draw the aggro before you apply the debuffs, and you won't need any additional defense.|
Originally Posted by Spiritchaser
Ok, tried dark/time and ill/dark
both seem strong but ill/dark is just perfect for me... Now if I can figure a way to cap ranged def and perma PA this will be my all time favourite controller I think... wow. |
I've been playing Illusion Controllers for quite a while (I have 4 of them Incarnate) and I don't have a Defense build on any of them. By using PA and Phantasm to draw aggro, select use of Deceive and use of invisibility, I am usually able to avoid drawing aggro. I never need to use up my power choices and slots for Defense. Once in a while, I run into an ambush that focuses on me, but it is pretty rare.
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I like defence. I currently have two ill/controllers, ill/rad and ill/cold and I'm working on an ill/time who's kind of stuck in the 20s...|
Originally Posted by Local_Man
If you have Perma-PA, you shouldn't need Ranged Defense, especially with the ToHit Debuff and Defense buff in Dark. Just let PA draw the aggro before you apply the debuffs, and you won't need any additional defense.
I've been playing Illusion Controllers for quite a while (I have 4 of them Incarnate) and I don't have a Defense build on any of them. By using PA and Phantasm to draw aggro, select use of Deceive and use of invisibility, I am usually able to avoid drawing aggro. I never need to use up my power choices and slots for Defense. Once in a while, I run into an ambush that focuses on me, but it is pretty rare. |
But I've really taken a liking to my ill/dark, so he's going to get the works, and for me that does include some def.
I can't always count on having the innitiative, I can't always count on PA aggroing all the mezzers, I can't always count on lots of things
But adding layers of def on control and PA will be a worthy goal...
And as I said before, I think this guy's worth it...
EDIT: I suppose I may get distracted by something else shiny... but vs. this guy? I doubt it.
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Oh god, the choices.......................
Just rolled my first Dark/Dark and I really can't wait to try several other combos as well.
I just recently returned from a long hiatus, don't completely understand all the new stuff yet but the Dark set for Controllers is something I wanted years ago. Curse you choices!
But oh the fun I will have.
Hmm..I don't seee anyone playing my fav.
I started out making two Doms...a Mind/Dark and a Dark/Energy. The Mind/Dark eventually became the one I logged in the most.
Then, two days ago, my better half told me I needed at least one Controller in my stable, so I made up a Mind/Dark Controller....WOW!!!!!
I no longer play the Mind/Dark Dom, and nor have I been playing my beloved scraps and brutes.
At level 16, I have been working more than playing or I would have more levels, I have Mesmerize, Dominate, Confuse, Mass Hypnosis and Levitate on the Mind side.
On the Dark side I have Twilight Grasp, Tar Patch, Howling Twilight, Darkest Night, and Shadow Fall.
Lots of control, and lots of fun solo
Fingers, toes, and eyes are crossed that this combo continues to be the attention holder for me that it is now.
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I made my Dark/Dark controller. I like the look of the set, the powers in the set. It's overall a lot of fun.
I'll probably make some flavor of Dark/* Dominator as well.
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