Trapdoor is hard!


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I need some help with Trap Door in Mender Ramiel arc? I know the Wiki says keep him in the lava but that harder to do, also it not fun for you character either. I have a level 50 brute Dark/Dark and this is brutal on me, he just does too much damage when I go hunt his minion doubles.


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Damage inspirations, Venomous Dagger(-Reg), and Hit him very, very hard before he can bifurcate too much.

Outside of that, ask some friends for help. Kinetics or Titan Weapons(or both!) can take him down quickly.


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Damage inspirations, Venomous Dagger(-Reg), and Hit him very, very hard before he can bifurcate too much.

Outside of that, ask some friends for help. Kinetics or Titan Weapons(or both!) can take him down quickly.
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which server are you on? depending on server i could help, i play primarily redside but only on victory


 

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Run the arc at -1/x1 difficulty.


 

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I'm rogue on Virtue so I could help you out if you play there.


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I know it was mentioned before, but hit up a global channel or send a request in broadcast and someone's bound to come help. Holds work wonders on him when stacked!


 

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Set difficulty to +0, 20 red insps, ignore the clones, kill him in a matter of seconds. Lava isn't needed.


 

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Since nobody has directly mentioned this in the thread:

When fighting Trapdoor, you have to defeat his bifurcation duplicates--their presence boosts the original's regeneration rate immensely, and his hitpoints will regenerate faster than you can damage him if you ignore them.

As long as you keep an eye out for the clones appearing and take them out quickly (they're only minion class, so they only need a few attacks each), you should have no problem defeating him on a Brute.



I've soloed him on an admittedly small stable of Incarnate characters, but only one of my Controllers required pinning him in the lava because of low damage output... every other character I have was able to defeat him in actual combat. (I generally had more trouble with the boss of the following mission, which is just a normal boss encounter.)


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If your burst damage is high, you can kill him quickly enough that don't need to worry about the duplicates. Just build up that fury bar right before the fight, pop some reds if necessary, and beat him down where he stands. I wouldn't worry about messing with the lava, at least not while playing a brute.


 

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Shivans and Backup radio are the best help you can get if no players want to join.

I have managed to solo Arakahn on dark/dark tank with their help.


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If you are able to do morality tips, remember. For brutes Frenzy(billian alignment power) grants a full bar of Fury.


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Hold powers help a lot too (grab the rings power from elf in chalet while its open).

I had it easy with some characters, but I almost gave up doing him solo with my kin/psi defender. Ever full tray of inspirations, shivan, back up radio, and a war wolf it was close.

I normally will help out if I see a request to kill trapdoor on virtue's global channels or help.


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I wrote a mini-guide for this. I haven't looked at it in about a year, but I don't think anything has changed: Trapdoor mini-guide


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I've soloed him on an admittedly small stable of Incarnate characters, but only one of my Controllers required pinning him in the lava because of low damage output... every other character I have was able to defeat him in actual combat. (I generally had more trouble with the boss of the following mission, which is just a normal boss encounter.)
Same here. That minotaur is nasty.


As for Trapdoor, use the same old tactic that beats any solo encounter in the game:

1 Buy Luck x4.
2 Buy Enrage x16.
3 Eat them all.
4 Win.


 

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Since nobody has directly mentioned this in the thread:

When fighting Trapdoor, you have to defeat his bifurcation duplicates--their presence boosts the original's regeneration rate immensely, and his hitpoints will regenerate faster than you can damage him if you ignore them.
Actually, they mentioned that you should just IGNORE the duplicates and beat him down. That's how I always do it. I've soloed him on multiple tanks and my tanks are NOT built for damage output (except for one).


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Actually, they mentioned that you should just IGNORE the duplicates and beat him down. That's how I always do it. I've soloed him on multiple tanks and my tanks are NOT built for damage output (except for one).
Yep. Focusing all your dps onto 1 target is much more effective. No time spent moving between targets, no time target regenerates while dpsing clones, regeneration is less effective the more dps you have.

Basically as long as you kill him before he hits 3 clones you don't need to bother with the clones. And if you're popping reds you shouldn't hit 3 clones no matter what build you're using.

Likewise my pvp ill/emp built entirely for support had no trouble with trapdoor.


 

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Set difficulty to +0, 20 red insps, ignore the clones, kill him in a matter of seconds. Lava isn't needed.
This, but some yellows wouldn't hurt as well if possible.


 

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I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but our evil devs nerfed the lava on Trapdoor(and the signature arc) a LONG time ago. Dragging him to the lava doesn't hurt him anymore, taking away a "weak" toon's failsafe option for defeating him.



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Damage inspirations, Venomous Dagger(-Reg), and Hit him very, very hard before he can bifurcate too much.

Outside of that, ask some friends for help. Kinetics or Titan Weapons(or both!) can take him down quickly.

As can any toon with holds. On a 'troller or dom he's a pansy as his bifurcations won't get a chance to spawn. Its normally the Honoree I have a problem with on squishies.


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I could not get him on my /stone brute at all no matter what I tried (can't believe I got that thing to 50), I asked for help. Meanwhile my thugs/dark took him down within a minute.


 

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Anyway if you have astral merits on that or any other alt, you can use them to skip Mender Ramiel arc completely.
That is the easiest way to deal with Trapdoor.


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Please understand - I mean this constructively.

Trapdoor begins the incarnate on a challenging path. The "Bifurcation" begins a mechanic that's not entirely new to the game, but one that most players are unfamiliar with. The 20 dollar word doesn't help much, either.

For 50 levels, assuming you didn't PL yourself in AE, you're used to clicking on glowies, beating down bosses and a few clear alls. There's been little special or different from that on your journey.

Now that you're on your way to being an incarnate, it's time to start thinking outside of the box. Not everything is going to be a simple tank and spank.

Coming to the forums was a smart move. Look around - there's a lot more to learn about this crazy game.


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I used to go to beta and I did one of the first lam's with the devs and we couldn't beat the security bot .