Powerset Proliferation


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Can we expect some later this year? We had some recently if I recall correctly, so don't imagine it will be any time soon.


 

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Technically, we'll be seeing some with the coming of Dark Affinity/Assault/Control in I22. While not straight ports, Dark is about the last 'theme' that really hasn't been available in some form to 'Trollers & Doms.

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There's not all that much left to proliferate is there?


 

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We get powerset proliferation once every 4-5 issues.

First was i12, then i16, then i21. We're not due for the next round til i25 or 26.


 

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Originally Posted by firespray View Post
There's not all that much left to proliferate is there?
Some set types don't have anything left (control). But there are still some things left to spread around, especially for melee. Spines Brutes and Super Strength scrappers come to mind.


 

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Originally Posted by firespray View Post
There's not all that much left to proliferate is there?
I want my Spine Brute!

I want Titan Stalker!

I want my Kin MasterMind! Think Demons and maybe the new Beast on Speed Boost!

There's a few others, so only a "few" proliferate left to do till all are rounded out.


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Originally Posted by OmniNogard View Post
I want my Kin MasterMind! Think Demons and maybe the new Beast on Speed Boost!
Just as an fyi, the pets would only benefit from the +movement, slow resist, and +recov, but they're unaffected by +rchg. Furthermore the +recovery is typically useless for pets provided the pets are slotted for endredux. Fulcrum Shifted pets (especially ninjas) with transfusion would be great though the rest would be a little underwhelming.


 

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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi View Post
Just as an fyi, the pets would only benefit from the +movement, slow resist, and +recov, but they're unaffected by +rchg. Furthermore the +recovery is typically useless for pets provided the pets are slotted for endredux. Fulcrum Shifted pets (especially ninjas) with transfusion would be great though the rest would be a little underwhelming.
That's why. I know pets stopped having +Rech LONG ago. It would be priceless to see a demon run off at Mk.1 Speed lol.


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Does the Commando pet from soldiers still blow out it's endurance? I haven't played or followed MM's much but I remember that being a complaint before I left for a while.


 

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Does the Commando pet from soldiers still blow out it's endurance? I haven't played or followed MM's much but I remember that being a complaint before I left for a while.
Yes. I have a Merc/Pain to keep his End up.


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MA Brute! That is what I want.....


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That reminds me, I really liked the flaming whip attacks from demon summoning. I tried to make a DFB toon with just those three but they DESTROYED her endurance just chaining them and doing PBAoE heals, even with the hydra recovery temp power reward. The separation of custom colors was well done IMO, and you can pull off some neat looks with them.

With the Ghost Rider movie coming out it wouldn't surprise me in the least to hear about a full set of those, but given the ranged/melee mix I would suspect a dominator line first.


 

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Still hoping we'll get some form of Illusion on Doms in the future. But not holding my breath.


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Our Very own Zombie Man made a list of what still needs to be proliferated...

Copied his avatar for something cool to click.



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I don't like his list because a lot of them really don't fit the archetypes missing the power sets.

A regen character can't really be a Tank... The whole point of a 'TANK' archetype just doesn't go with being hurt all the time. Same with Brutes and MA. The two don't fit. If you're doing martial arts there's too much finesse in that to call it 'brutish'. Even the meanest martial arts villains would be tanks or scrappers, IMHO.


 

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Originally Posted by _Pine_ View Post
Our Very own Zombie Man made a list of what still needs to be proliferated...
You mean this? (Note that this is all pre-I21 info and is in need of updating.)

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Here is a spreadsheet of powersets as they will be in Issue 21.

To read the sheet, go by columns. Take for example the Melee Powersets in the first column. There are 18 different Melee Powersets. Tankers and Scrappers have access to 13 of them; Stalkers, 11; and Brutes 14.

Still going down, you see that Scrapper and Brutes have access to Katana. Tankers only have access to Ice Melee. And so on.

Yellow highlights are the I21 Proliferation 3.0 Powersets. The salmon highlights are the new powersets in I21.

So, what's left to proliferate?

Proliferation of Existing Sets

Scrapper Melee:
  • Ice
  • Stone
  • Super Strength
  • Energy
  • (Ninja Blade is already represented in Katana)

Scrapper Defense:
  • Ice
  • Stone
  • Ninjitsu

Tanker Melee:

  • Katana (Ninja Blade)
  • Spines
  • Claws
  • Broadsword

Tanker Defense:
  • Energy
  • Regeneration
  • Ninjitsu

Brute Melee:
  • Ice
  • Martial Arts
  • Spine
  • (Ninja Blade is already represented in Katana)

Brute Defense:
  • Ice
  • Ninjitsu

Stalker Melee:
  • Ice
  • Stone
  • Super Strength
  • Fiery
  • Battle Axe
  • War Mace
  • (Katana is already represented in Ninja Blade)

Stalker Defense:
  • Stone
  • Invulnerability
  • Fiery
  • Shield


Mastermind Summons:

  • Unique set, nothing to proliferate from other ATs.

Mastermind Buff:

  • Empathy (may never happen because of Pain)
  • Radiation
  • Cold
  • Kinetics

Controller Control:
  • All sets already

Controller Buff:
  • Dark Miasma
  • Traps
  • Pain (may never happen because of Empathy)

Defender Ranged:
  • All sets already

Defender Buff:
  • Pain (may never happen because of Empathy)
  • Poison

Corruptor Ranged:
  • All sets already

Corruptor Buff:

  • Empathy (may never happen because of Pain)
  • Force Field

Blaster Ranged:
  • All sets already

Blaster Support:
  • Thorn/Plant/Spine from: Thorny Assault, Spines Melee, Plant Control
  • Earth from: Earth Assault, Stone Melee, Stone Defense, Earth Control
  • Primal Forces from: Kinetic Melee, Gravity Control, Force Field Buff
  • Martial Arts from: Martial Arts Melee, Super Strength, Ninjas
  • Radiation from: Radiation Blast and Shivan Powers

Dominator Control:
  • Illusion

Dominator Assault:
  • Dark from: Darkness Mastery Support
  • Devices from: Devices Support, Traps Buff
  • Primal Forces from: Kinetic Melee, Gravity Control, Force Field Buff
  • Martial Arts from: Martial Arts Melee, Super Strength, Ninjas
  • Radiation from: Radiation Blast and Shivan Powers




Proliferation of Concepts

If you take a look as this spreadsheet, it shows what type of powers, conceptually, have been proliferated into different powerset categories.

So, take a look, for example, at Fire in the first row. Fire (or 'Thermal') is represented in every powerset category. So that means you can have a Fire/Fire Anything AT, right? Not so fast. It won't be until Issue 21 that Fire Blast will be proliferated to Defenders. So, until then, you can't have a Fire/Thermal Defender.

But once everything is proliferated to every set, then that means you can have a PowerTypeX/PowerTypeX Anything AT, right? Not so fast. Even if all powersets are proliferated to all ATs, there are still some gaps in proliferating the Conceptual Power Type to every Powerset Category. So, for example, there is no Dark Control nor Dark Assault. This means you can't have a Dark/Dark Controller or Dominator.

Now, some concepts just don't make sense to be in every Powerset Category. There will be no War Mace Control Set or Dual Pistols Melee (and just because you can conceive of it cartoonishly happening, doesn't mean it's justifiable).

But the gaps in the spreadsheet show where future *new* powersets can go by extending the concepts of some Powerset Categories to other Categories. The obvious gaps are:

Electricity:
  • Buff

Energy:
  • Control
  • Buff

Radiation:

  • Control
  • Melee
  • Defense

Dark:
  • Control
  • Support

Archery:

  • Control
  • Assault/Support (mixed with Traps/Devices)

Spines:

  • Ranged

Storm:
  • Control
  • Ranged
  • Assault/Support

Plant:
  • Summoning
  • Buff

Illusion:

  • Summoning
  • Buff

Time:
  • Control

Gravity:

  • Buff

Stone/Earth:
  • Summoning
  • Ranged
  • Buff

Mechanical:
  • Power Gloves/Arms Melee (toons limited to armored hands/arms)
  • Armor Defense (toons limited to armor costumes)
  • Traps/Devices/Miniature Robotics Control

Shields:
  • Assault/Support

Blasting Melee Weapon:

  • Like the Arachnos Mace a weapon that can be swung in melee and shoots stuff. This would be a forced-paired Ranged and Assault/Support set for Blasters and Dominators (no redraw!). There could be versions of Fist Blades, Swords, Maces, Axes, Bayonettes, etc....


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I want /MA Brutes.
And /Ill Dominators.


 

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Ninjitsu Tankers!

Smokeflash and I'm gone! Enjoy the aggro suckers!!

Muahahahaha!


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Ninjitsu Tankers!

Smokeflash and I'm gone! Enjoy the aggro suckers!!

Muahahahaha!
I would roll one. For many reasons, none involving hurting friends i swear.


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Speaking of ninjitsu, saw this picture earlier today on Reuters. 3000-3500 women in Iran training in ninjitsu?? Does the US have a ninja gap in the Middle East??


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I so want /Cold on a Mastermind. /drool


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Ice Melee on a Brute? Ice Armor on a Brute? I don't think so . . . a key part of Ice is the way it slows down the foes. And much of the damage from Ice Melee is DoT. That just won't work on a Brute, as it would contrast with Fury. I don't really see it very useful on a scrapper, either . . . maybe Ice Armor, but not Ice Melee in anything close to its current form.

On the other hand, I really like my Ice/Ice Tank.


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Ice Melee on a Brute? Ice Armor on a Brute? I don't think so . . . a key part of Ice is the way it slows down the foes. And much of the damage from Ice Melee is DoT. That just won't work on a Brute, as it would contrast with Fury. I don't really see it very useful on a scrapper, either . . . maybe Ice Armor, but not Ice Melee in anything close to its current form.
I'm not sure why opponents being slowed down would be a problem on a Brute, when Energy Aura already slows opponents down, and other sets (like Energy Melee and Dark Armor) stop them from attacking at all. (Granted, Energy Melee has some issues, but I don't think that being very good at stunning enemies is one of them)

Ice/Ice any-melee-other-than-a-tank has been on my wishlist for a while.


 

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Originally Posted by Thunder Knight View Post
I'm not sure why opponents being slowed down would be a problem on a Brute, when Energy Aura already slows opponents down, and other sets (like Energy Melee and Dark Armor) stop them from attacking at all. (Granted, Energy Melee has some issues, but I don't think that being very good at stunning enemies is one of them)

Ice/Ice any-melee-other-than-a-tank has been on my wishlist for a while.
It's worth a look again since they changed fury.


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