F2p players can't make use of Hero/Villain packs?
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Posted on: 2012-02-15 09:12 in Player Questions
You can use everything you get from the packs. You just don't want/have need of them right now.
You can use the ATOs, you just didn't get the right ones. But nothing is preventing you from using them on new characters of the right AT.
You can use the reward merits, you just don't want to, as you use influence for them. But you CAN use them.
The catalysts you can use on the ATOs if you get the right ones (and you can get them through drops), or if you make an AT to use the ones you already have.
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I can't make a new character. I only get two character slots and they both have lvl 50s. If I can use ATOs why can't I redeem something I paid for...for ATOs?
And yes you're right I can use reward merits for enhancements. I can make like 50 enhancements and sell them to NPCs because I already have HOs and +3 SOs.
It just doesn't make sense...at all.
Not effected by this myself, but I see your problem. The merits should be redeemable for ATOs since premium players are allowed to use both ATOs amd merits.
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I also agree that this feels like a problem. If you bought something, you're Premium, not free, strictly speaking. And it's a bit disappointing that your real dollars count for less than someone who's VIP. Seems unfair.
Hmm, I feel some feedback in the Beta forums coming....
I added this to the beta discussion forums:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...99#post4118499
Well firstly I want to say that really sucks. F2P folks really should be able to use merits to buy ATOs. Hopefully that's an oversight and they fix it, or if not hopefully they change their mind.
Even though you don't have access to Wentworth's the things are still tradeable 'in person'. You should try asking around (preferably in global channels) and see if anyone wants to trade for ones you can use.
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Originally Posted by Goatrider
Well I should have known better than to buy stuff from the cash shop of this game without testing stuff...
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Personally if I were limited to playing just 2 characters I'd probably purchase character slots instead of the packs. I kind of feel for you free players in that regard. I don't have a huge case of alt-itis, but 2 just doesn't seem like enough to really have fun with either.
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Seems they shouldnt allow purchase of something that cant be entirely used by a free player. But hey more money for them right?
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That's not what is happening here. F2P players are just restricted as to what they can spend their merit currencies on.
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Originally Posted by Darej
Seems they shouldnt allow purchase of something that cant be entirely used by a free player. But hey more money for them right?
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So the OP is willing to buy Super Packs but unwilling to unlock extra character slots so he can create the AT's that use the stuff he got.
Not seeing how this is NCSoft's fault. I'm a VIP and there's ATO's I can't use because I don't play those Archetypes. This isn't a problem with F2P accounts it's one of a player's own creation.
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As much as I'm on the developer's case for these garbage packs, with Issue 22 you will be able to buy ATOs with reward merits. You will also be able to use converters (able to be purchased with reward merits) to have a chance to convert the ATO to one that you can use.
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Originally Posted by Goatrider
I can't make a new character. I only get two character slots and they both have lvl 50s. If I can use ATOs why can't I redeem something I paid for...for ATOs?
And yes you're right I can use reward merits for enhancements. I can make like 50 enhancements and sell them to NPCs because I already have HOs and +3 SOs. It just doesn't make sense...at all. |
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Cool, so in a few weeks the OP's complaint will have even less merit.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
As much as I'm on the developer's case for these garbage packs, with Issue 22 you will be able to buy ATOs with reward merits. You will also be able to use converters (able to be purchased with reward merits) to have a chance to convert the ATO to one that you can use.
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The OP is also apparently unwilling to purchase the Market License to be able to sell them on the Market. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
So the OP is willing to buy Super Packs but unwilling to unlock extra character slots so he can create the AT's that use the stuff he got.
Not seeing how this is NCSoft's fault. I'm a VIP and there's ATO's I can't use because I don't play those Archetypes. This isn't a problem with F2P accounts it's one of a player's own creation. |
Since he has a VIP account he could also trade them to his VIP account and let the VIP account put them on the Market then trade the Influence back to the Premium account or purchase the ATO's specific to the AT's on the Premium accounts two characters and trade them back to the Premium account. Then he could use the Enhancement Catalysts on them as well.
Worst of all, the OP was apparently unwilling to research the Super Packs before purchasing them. There have been feedback threads about the Super Packs and the ATO's on the Beta section of the forums well before they were put into the Paragon Market. Since the OP stated they have a VIP account it would have been a simple matter to just read the feedback there. It would have even been easy to ask questions there. There were posts and information on the public sections of the forums shortly after they hit the Paragon Market. It would have been simple to read those and even ask questions before purchasing them.
The information was available that the Enhancement Catalysts weren't tradeable and were bound.
The information was there that the ATO's could be sold at Wentworth's/Black Market. The information has been out for months that Tier 2 cannot use the Auction Houses without purchasing a License.
The information was there that Reward Merits were in the pack. The information has been out there for quite a while as to what Tier 2 can purchase with Reward Merits.
And this is all NCSoft's fault because the OP didn't research before purchasing?
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You apparently weren't willing to pay for access to the systems that would let you use all of the items in them immediately.
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Yes, there's no doubt that it's a bug if you can't use reward merits to buy ATOs from the merit vendors, since you can use ATOs you get from super packs which also give reward merits (so that, one presumes, you can buy ATOs with them).|
Originally Posted by Oliin
Well firstly I want to say that really sucks. F2P folks really should be able to use merits to buy ATOs. Hopefully that's an oversight and they fix it, or if not hopefully they change their mind.
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People who are affected be sure to bug it in game and in the appropriate forum to make sure the devs are aware.
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You can already buy ATEs with reward merits. (That's part of the OP's complaint. He gets a ton of reward merits...and can't spend them on the ATEs he wants because Preemies are restricted below a certain tier.)|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
As much as I'm on the developer's case for these garbage packs, with Issue 22 you will be able to buy ATOs with reward merits. You will also be able to use converters (able to be purchased with reward merits) to have a chance to convert the ATO to one that you can use.
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I22 will add alignment merits to that list.
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Yes I could buy a bunch of things to be able to use the things I already bought...
But what you don't seem to understand is that I only spent money on the account to be able to join a SG/chat privileges. I spent 5 dollars on the account (got an error said try again...so I did...then it became 10 dollars instead of 5). So while yes I COULD buy VIP...why would I?
I could have investigated the packs more before purchasing. But I actually did a fair amount...on my VIP account I purchased several packs which is where I found out about the merit vendor ATOs. On the VIP account it said nothing about meeting a requirement to make them by being VIP...and since they were just added I did not think to check on the f2p account as well...since ATOs were available to freebies.
And again yes I can trade the ATOs to my VIP account. But that's not the point I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make is that premium players who can't do that really get shafted since they can't check for prices, or list on a market.
Hearing about the i22 thing is great but I have one more thing to say...Even though I'm a complaining pain in the ***...the things I'm complaining about are obvious problems. They are either extreme oversights or ploys to earn extra money from honest paying customers.
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Originally Posted by Goatrider
Yes I could buy a bunch of things to be able to use the things I already bought...
But what you don't seem to understand is that I only spent money on the account to be able to join a SG/chat privileges. I spent 5 dollars on the account (got an error said try again...so I did...then it became 10 dollars instead of 5). So while yes I COULD buy VIP...why would I? I could have investigated the packs more before purchasing. But I actually did a fair amount...on my VIP account I purchased several packs which is where I found out about the merit vendor ATOs. On the VIP account it said nothing about meeting a requirement to make them by being VIP...and since they were just added I did not think to check on the f2p account as well...since ATOs were available to freebies. And again yes I can trade the ATOs to my VIP account. But that's not the point I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make is that premium players who can't do that really get shafted since they can't check for prices, or list on a market. Hearing about the i22 thing is great but I have one more thing to say...Even though I'm a complaining pain in the ***...the things I'm complaining about are obvious problems. They are either extreme oversights or ploys to earn extra money from honest paying customers. |
You spent $5 bucks once and expect everything else on this account for free. As far as your Premium account is concerned, you are not a paying customer. You are just cheap.
The fact that you have another account that is VIP doesn't entitle you to special treatment for your Premium account. If you want extras then you have to pay for them.
I dont see the problem. You pay for a super pack. You get a super pack. You know what can you get from there. You know what you can access and what not. Whats the problem? Or do you expect having access to everything a VIP has?
It's really funny. No matter how much people argued against being able to sell the purchased IOs ingame, people defended it because if you could not sell them, then people might get stuck with something they couldn't use.
Now it turns out that, yes, people can get stuck with something they can't use, but it's still cool because...
They came right out and said that was the reason for making them tradeable, but people on here seem to have goldfish memories.
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Unless I'm mistaken these new AT IO's can't be gotten any other way than by buying the Super Packs, someone has to buy a pack first. So they aren't like the Attuned IO sets on the Paragon Market which duplicate existing sets that drop in the game.|
Originally Posted by rsclark
It's really funny. No matter how much people argued against being able to sell the purchased IOs ingame, people defended it because if you could not sell them, then people might get stuck with something they couldn't use.
Now it turns out that, yes, people can get stuck with something they can't use, but it's still cool because... They came right out and said that was the reason for making them tradeable, but people on here seem to have goldfish memories. |
That's why I don't have a problem with these new type of enhancements being able to be traded and sold to other players.
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Actually the AT IOs can be bought with both astral and regular merits on live currently.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Unless I'm mistaken these new AT IO's can't be gotten any other way than by buying the Super Packs, someone has to buy a pack first. So they aren't like the Attuned IO sets on the Paragon Market which duplicate existing sets that drop in the game.
That's why I don't have a problem with these new type of enhancements being able to be traded and sold to other players. |
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Thank you. I wasn't aware of that because I don't do the Incarnate content and only thru the Super Packs have I gotten enough merits at one time to care enough to start looking at what I can buy with them. I usually trade in my merits as soon as I get them for large insp which I sell on the market. |
Originally Posted by Lucky666
Actually the AT IOs can be bought with both astral and regular merits on live currently.
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Still not sure if that changes my opinion on the attuned enhancements being restricted, but this wouldn't be the first time the devs went in a direction that differed from my original opinion. No point in getting mad about it tho. It doesn't hurt me one way or the other.
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Don't you go on at times about how your income isn't exactly high - being on disability or something? (I may be confusing you with someone else.) |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
So the OP is willing to buy Super Packs but unwilling to unlock extra character slots so he can create the AT's that use the stuff he got.
Not seeing how this is NCSoft's fault. I'm a VIP and there's ATO's I can't use because I don't play those Archetypes. This isn't a problem with F2P accounts it's one of a player's own creation. |
How much should someone be *required* to buy to use these little gamble-packs? "Oh, hey, gamble on these. Now buy some slots. Now pay to unlock the ATs those others are for. Now pay for a market license." Yeah... no.
What if he has zero interest in playing an AT for the ATIOs he got?
Why should he have to throw money away? Typically if a hobby starts seeming that way - I leave the hobby. Have to wonder how many VIP/Premiums this sort of thing will be the tipping point for.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
Actually the AT IOs can be bought with both astral and regular merits on live currently.
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Don't you go on at times about how your income isn't exactly high - being on disability or something? (I may be confusing you with someone else.)
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And in spite of my limited income I manage to pay all my bills, keep my account active, and squirrel away a few bucks every other month or so I can treat myself to something I want.
We grown ups call that living on a budget. So I have no sympathy for people claiming the games too expensive. If I can pay for my hobby so can they.
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| How much should someone be *required* to buy to use these little gamble-packs? |
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| What if he has zero interest in playing an AT for the ATIOs he got? |
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| Why should he have to throw money away? |
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| Typically if a hobby starts seeming that way - I leave the hobby. |
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| Have to wonder how many VIP/Premiums this sort of thing will be the tipping point for. |
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| ... which, of course, wouldn't help a Premium player. |
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
... which, of course, wouldn't help a Premium player. |
When I drop to Premium(right now about to go re sub this very minute actually) I have access to the market and merits but no IO license so they would help such a premium player as myself in this scenario. But how many free bones can we really give premiums? I think Paragon Studios is already generous enough with the paragon reward tree and how they award access when they award access.
Well I should have known better than to buy stuff from the cash shop of this game without testing stuff...
But I must say that I thoroughly enjoy how the packs were set up...
On an account that has only the 2nd tier of rewards I got reward merits. Cool! Except...not really. I can redeem them for Inspirations and Single Origin Enhancements. On this free to play account with 2 characters at lvl 50 that is very...uh...useless.
From what I've been hearing f2p players can even use ATOs. Cool! Yet again...not really. The reward merits I got are redeemable for ATOs...but only as a VIP subscriber. The ATOs I did get are not useable by my Archetypes...and this account has no access to wentworths.
Also why aren't enhancement catalysts tradeable? I can't get ATOs on this account so I should be able to at least make use of them on my Vip account (soon to be f2p again after this great money grubbing ploy).
Seriously...you don't lose what you pay for...because you never got what you paid for to begin with.