In Just Seven Days...
By
Bill Z Bubba,
Posted on: 2012-02-13 19:39 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Thanks, now i have the song stuck in my head -.-
@Redcap
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114. Ahrouns do not appreciate my particular brand of humour, so I should stop bleaching bulls-eyes in their fur.
It would take me around 15 days of playing to get around to that many Trials run on one character. Which would in turn probably take me 5 weeks minimum to get around to (more likely 10+ weeks). If I could stay focused on the goal for that long.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
Positron: "There are no bugs [in City of Heroes], just varying degrees of features."
this thread was a great deal more amusing than i had expected, bravo cap.
I will say that t4 is overrated, the shifts are the thing, man, to me t4 are not worth the effort relative to t3.
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It wasn't hard at all tbh. I usually play for about 2-3 hrs per dAy anyway, on average, which is what it works out at. The downtime was largely minimal, especially if I was just happy to BAF BAF BAF.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
It would take me around 15 days of playing to get around to that many Trials run on one character. Which would in turn probably take me 5 weeks minimum to get around to (more likely 10+ weeks). If I could stay focused on the goal for that long.
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The worst thing about it was the repetitiveness, especially of the BAFs and sLAMS, but that was heavily tempered by the fact that they're incredibly easy by now.
Eco
MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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There is no such thing as "participation matrix." There is a single bar. If you participate enough to clear the bar, you get an entirely random reward table* and if you don't participate enough to clear the bar you get 10 threads. Threads and iXp gained from defeating mobs were set up to be distributed evenly among the entire league in the half issue that came after trials first launched.|
Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
I also didnt bother crafting anything at all, I did those trials with nothing in my Alpha slot. Maybe If I had crafted something along the way my participation matrix would have been better and I might have got more goodies, I dont know enough about it to say.
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*Unless you're in the UG trial then you get a rare or very rare because that trial blooooooows.
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Ah, then even without anything slotted in any incarnate slots, the bar for the BAF must be low enough for it not to matter, as i always got a component.|
Originally Posted by PowerLeveler
There is no such thing as "participation matrix." There is a single bar. If you participate enough to clear the bar, you get an entirely random reward table* and if you don't participate enough to clear the bar you get 10 threads. Threads and iXp gained from defeating mobs were set up to be distributed evenly among the entire league in the half issue that came after trials first launched.
*Unless you're in the UG trial then you get a rare or very rare because that trial blooooooows. |
Unless the bar is different for every trial dependent on the group performance?
Eco
MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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The bar is to deter leeching. If you even try to help the league, you can probably clear the bar.
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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
Ah, then even without anything slotted in any incarnate slots, the bar for the BAF must be low enough for it not to matter, as i always got a component.
Unless the bar is different for every trial dependent on the group performance? Eco |
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2260 - The Burning of Hearts - A green-eyed monster holds the match.
379248 - The Spider Without Fangs - NEW - Some lessons learned (more or less.)
More proof that the devs need to give male/huge models fishnet hose and corsets.
Edit: Guess when I-22 goes live we'll see if I can T4 everything while 100% solo in DA in less than 56 days.
Be well, people of CoH.
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If you do get everything T4 in less than 56 days in DA don't let certain people know, it'd probably be considered too fast. |
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Edit: Guess when I-22 goes live we'll see if I can T4 everything while 100% solo in DA in less than 56 days.
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Only two months to T4? Make it 56 weeks! We must suffer for our incarnate shinies! <smiley>
After my experience with Casey and my knowledge of the DA progress rates I'll be playing the DA solo content once on my 50s for the story, which is really very good, and then grinding through trials for the actual incarnate progression. Forced reaming wins again.
Eco
MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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This thread is wonderful.
There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.
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Way I see it, I'll do DA content while waiting for trials to form. They aren't constant on Justice, so DA will eat downtime.
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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
After my experience with Casey and my knowledge of the DA progress rates I'll be playing the DA solo content once on my 50s for the story, which is really very good, and then grinding through trials for the actual incarnate progression. Forced reaming wins again.
Eco |
Too many alts to list.
Doc from everything we are seeing that is what they want for this content.
It isn't really a very viable path solo wise and what Eco did in 7 days would roughly get you one T3 solo wise.
Yeah, sorta shocking how fast I got my character along. I'm not done yet....but, basically, a very iTrial heavy weekend and he's almost there.
I did 2 characters in a few weeks....and I don't have all that much time most of the time.
I will go on record as saying: yes, it's the incarnate shifts that make a HUGE difference. It all boils down to level, in the end. It's a system where you are coming in almost at the base level to hit things.....then you get level shifts....but the level shifts don't matter outside of the trials.
So, it feels like a cheap way to make characters progress....but, hey, not REALLY progress. Maybe when they add more content for incarnates? I dunno. I think the whole system needs fleshed out more.
Mr. True Shot.
Level 53: Arrows/Devices/Munitions Blaster
....and hopeless Science-Natzi.
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You will - or you'll be close |
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Edit: Guess when I-22 goes live we'll see if I can T4 everything while 100% solo in DA in less than 56 days.
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Thankfully, Bill isn't representative of most solo players. He is, however, representative of giant, industrial, laser-guided circular saws with diamond-coated titanium blades.
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Originally Posted by Ogi
If you do get everything T4 in less than 56 days in DA don't let certain people know, it'd probably be considered too fast.
Only two months to T4? Make it 56 weeks! We must suffer for our incarnate shinies! <smiley> |
Positron: "There are no bugs [in City of Heroes], just varying degrees of features."
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Well since you can only get one component per day in DA, that gives Bill 56 components in 56 days, plus any crafted from thread drops and astral/emp conversion. How many components does it take to T4 everything? I'm not near my pc now or I'd check. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
You will - or you'll be close
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Eco
MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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Don't forget 560 Threads from picking the 10 Thread reward each day |
Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
Well since you can only get one component per day in DA, that gives Bill 56 components in 56 days, plus any crafted from thread drops and astral/emp conversion. How many components does it take to T4 everything? I'm not near my pc now or I'd check.
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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One level shift a week seems pretty reasonable progress for a solo path.
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
It isn't really a very viable path solo wise and what Eco did in 7 days would roughly get you one T3 solo wise.
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Agreed.|
Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
this thread was a great deal more amusing than i had expected, bravo cap.
I will say that t4 is overrated, the shifts are the thing, man, to me t4 are not worth the effort relative to t3. |
I have enough alts. My strategy is:
- Hit 50
- T3 the level shift slots
- T1 the others
- Go enjoy my lowbie alts
- Dabble occasionally in trials when I'm bored, improving whatever I can whenever I can, on whoever I want to play. If I ever get that far, I'll opt for different T3's ( a "barrier" and a "clarion", for example) for the improved adaptability before I specialize on a tier 4.
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That's probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
Thankfully, Bill isn't representative of most solo players. He is, however, representative of giant, industrial, laser-guided circular saws with diamond-coated titanium blades.
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Be well, people of CoH.
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Yes, very reasonable...IF, of course, one does not compare it to trial progress. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
One level shift a week seems pretty reasonable progress for a solo path.
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So I'll just keep waiting for the devs to actually make their promised solo path as this is simply "giving trialers something to do while waiting for a trial to form" content.
@Doctor Gemini
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It's coming in I22.
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Gemini
So I'll just keep waiting for the devs to actually make their promised solo path
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
I can make you an In-ca-ar-ar-nate!
I wondered just how long it would take a lvl 50 fresh from Ramiels arc to get to fully T4d in every incarnate slot, so as my tanker Casey Crockett had just hit 50, I did nothing but trials with him until he was there. The results were interesting.
Casey Crockett. Lvl 50 Shield Defense/War Mace/Energy Mastery Tanker.
Difficulty Settings: -1 (x1)
Server: Freedom.
First I took him through Ramiels arc, and took stock.
Alpha slot unlocked. Judgement and Interface at 0%. No incarnate salvage, no threads, 1 incarnate shard.
Trial gathering zone: Pocket D.
On Sun 05 February, I went to pocket D and immediately broadcast tanker lf anything
3 minutes later my first trial started, and Casey was off! For every trial, I recorded which trial it was, how long it took, and the rewards gained.
Here are the results:
BAF
23 minutes
Rewards: 1 rare, 1 Uncommon, 4 Threads, 1 Astral, 1 Emp
sLAM
31 minutes till FAIL (too long for Marauder, too many adds).
Rewards: 2 Threads, 2 Astrals
sLAM again
14 minutes
Rewards: 1 Very rare, 5 threads, 5 Astrals, 1 Emp
BAF
17 minutes
Rewards: 1 Common, 3 threads, 6 Astrals,
Keyes
26 minutes
Rewards: 1 Common, 1 Uncommon, 6 Threads, 4 Astrals, 2 Emps
At this point I checked my slot progress.: Judgement 67%, Interface 56%
TPN
32 minutes
Rewards: 1 Rare, 1 Uncommon, 65 threads, 7 Astrals, 2 Emps.
Judgement 67%, Interface unlocked, Destiny 13%
I also didnt bother crafting anything at all, I did those trials with nothing in my Alpha slot. Maybe If I had crafted something along the way my participation matrix would have been better and I might have got more goodies, I dont know enough about it to say.
So 112 minutes of trialing, plus maybe 20 minutes of downtime gives:
2 Commons, 3 Uncommons, 2 rares, 1 Very Rare, 85 threads, 25 Astrals, Empyreans in 2 hours 12 minutes.
With all that, I was able to craft a Tier 3 Alpha (Cardiac Partial Core Revamp) and a Tier 2 (Cardiac Radial Boost) to get me going up the second branch for the T4 Alpha. On reflection i maybe should have gone for the T2 Interface Reactive. In any case, in just a little over 2 hours you could get a T3 Alpha easily with the trial route.
BAF
19 mins
Rewards: 1 rare, 7 astrals, 13 threads
Keyes
23 mins
Rewards: 1 Very rare, 6 Astrals, 3 threads.
With that, I crafted my T4 Alpha.
BAF
17 mins
Rewards: 1 rare, 3 astrals, 1 emp, 4 threads
sLAM
23 mins
Rewards: 1 common, 2 astrals, 1 emp
Checked my slot progress here:
Judgement unlocked, Interface unlocked, Lore 28%, Destiny 36%
BAF
25 mins
Rewards: 1 uncommon, 6 astrals, 4 threads
BAF
16 minutes till FAIL
Failed at the escapee phase, bizarrely lol (full league too!)
BAF again
24 minutes
Rewards for both: 1 uncommon, 6 astrals, 14 threads.
with that, I could craft Casey's T3 Judgement.
BAF
27mins
Rewards 1 common, 16 threads, 5 astrals
BAF
40mins FAIL (timing on double takedown was out twice, league coudln't be bothered a third time)
Rewards: 3 threads, 3 astrals
sLAM
14mins
Rewards: 1 uncommon, 8 threads, 3 astrals
Lore unlocked.
BAF
21 minutes
Rewards: 1 common, 9 threads, 6 astrals
TPN
32 mins
Rewards: 1 Very rare, 61 threads, 6 astrals, 2 emps.
Judgement T4 crafted, Interface T2 crafted, Destiny at 97%
BAF
18mins
Rewards: 1 common, 6 astrals, 1 emp, 8 threads
Destiny unlocked with a few threads.
BAF
20 mins
Rewards: 1 uncommon, 7 astrals, 4 threads
BAF
21 mins
Rewards: 1 common, 6 astrals, 5 threads
sLAM
15 mins
Rewards: 1 common 3 threads, 1 astral, 1 emp
BAF
17 mins
Rewards: 1 uncommon, 6 astrals, 5 threads
sLAM
17 mins
Rewards: 1 uncommon, 2 astrals, 1 thread
BAF
14 minutes
Rewards: 1 uncommon, 6 astrals, 4 threads
sLAM
16mins
Rewards: 1 rare, 2 astrals, 1 thread
Interface T3 crafted (both trees), 2 commons, 2 uncommons, 1 very rare stockpiled.
Total trial time so far: 9 hours 22 mins
Casey now had:
Alpha T4 - Cardiac Core Paragon
Judgement T4 - Pyronic Core Final Judgement
Interface T3 - Cognitive partial Core Conversion and Cognitive Partial Radial Conversion (ready for merging to the T4 when I got a Living Relic)
Keyes
20mins
Rewards 3 astrals, 2 emps, 2 threads
MoM
26 minutes till FAIL in the Penny stage. Once you hit that critical League-wipe stage and run out of inspirs, it's impossible. There should at least be a 'regroup in staging area' option. Terrible design, that stage, IMO.
Rewards: 5 threads.
So now Casey was T4 Alpha, T4 Judgement, T3 Interface, T1 lore and T2 Destiny, after 10hrs 28 mins of trials spread out over 4 consecutive days.
BAF
15mins
Rewards: 1 common, 6 astrals, 1 emp, 5 threads
BAF
19mins
Rewards: 1 common, 5 astrals, 5 threads
BAF
28 mins
Rewards: 1 uncommon, 5 astrals, 1 emp, 5 threads
BAF
16 mins
Rewards: 1 uncommon, 7 astrals, 6 threads
BAF
16 mins
Rewards: 1 common, 7 astrals, 3 threads
Keyes
26 mins
Rewards: 1 uncommon, 4 astrals, 2 emps, 5 threads
TPN
34 mins until the entire league mapserver DCd at the final Maelstrom fight.
Rather annoying, that.
TPN FAIL
Rewards: 3 astrals, 65 threads
I crafted T3 Lore and T2 Destiny Rebirth.
After 13 hrs 02 minutes of trials over 5 consecutive days, Casey had:
+2 Level Shift
T4 Cardiac Alpha
T4 Pyronic Judgement
T3 Cognitive Interface
T3 Polar Lights Lore
T2 Clarion AND T2 Rebirth Destiny
2 Commons, 1 Uncommon, 1 Very Rare, 5 Threads.
sLAM
21mins
Rewards: 1 uncommon, 3 astrals, 1 emp, 4 threads
Keyes
27 mins
Rewards: 1 rare, 4 astrals, 2 emps, 4 threads
TPN
44 mins
Rewards: 1 rare, 6 astrals, 2 emps, 71 threads
BAF
17 mins
Rewards: 1 common, 6 astrals, 1 emp, 6 threads
That gave me what i needed to craft a T3 in Destiny, giving Casey his third level shift.
BAF
23mins
Rewards: 1 VR, 6 astrals, 3 threads
sLAM
40mins till FAIL (too many adds)
Rewards: 1 astral, 6 threads
And that got me my third T4, in Interface.
sLAM
11mins
Rewards: 1 common, 3 astrals, 3 threads
sLAM
16mins
Rewards: 1 rare, 3 astrals, 0 threads
BAF
17 mins
Rewards: 1 common, 7 astrals, 4 threads
BAF
14 mins
Rewards: 1 rare, 6 astrals, 6 threads
BAF
16 mins
Rewards: 1 common, 6 astrals, 1 emp, 6 threads
UG (lol the first I'd been on since this began, and only the fourth I saw advertised in Pocket D Freedom during the time I was doing this).
55 mins till FAIL (We got to the Licken-infested Warwalker, and there was some confusion. The leader was telling us to use glowing litchens on the AV, but this didnt work. The leader bailed on us then, and someone else took over, but too many people bailed and that was that.
Rewards: 5 astrals, 10 threads.
I sidegraded my Forbidden Techniques and Casey had his fourth T4!
MoM
34 mins
Rewards: 1 VR 7 astrals, 2 emps, 5 threads
My first successful MoM (kudos to Fire Ainjel, awesome leading and importantly recruiting skillz), and my last T4 crafted.
That was the day before yesterday, Sunday Feb 12. It only took me a week to get a fully T4d incarnate, since I started on Feb 05.
So after 18 hrs 36 minutes of trials over 7 consecutive days, Casey has:
+3 Level Shift
T4 Cardiac Alpha
T4 Pyronic Judgement
T4 Cognitive Interface
T4 Polar Lights Lore
T4 Rebirth Destiny and T2 Clarion
2 uncommons, 33 threads left over.
A breakdown of the 48 trials:
BAFs: 23 +2 Fails
sLAMs: 10 +1 Fail
Keyes: 5
TPNs: 3 +1 Fail
MoMs: 1 + 1 Fail
UGs: 1 Fail
In Just Seven Days which reminded me of a song:
In Just Seven Days
A Tanker, with just Alpha unlocked
Will get egg on his face
When kicked to the Hosp
But soon in the BAF
With a determined taunt
Hell learn about chokes
As he works for his dro-o-ops
And if he listens..
And then a sLAM and a Keyes
And repeat, as he sees
Hell get threads, iXP
Hell be a strong toon
Oh honey!
Chorus
But the wrong toon
Hes un-shifted for MoM
And Marked by Maelstrom
Cant do UG without crying
Repeatedly dying
Such an effort
If he only knew of my plan
In just seven days
I can make you IN-CA-AA-AR-NATE!
Hell craft cantrips and gluons
Learn to macro for cut-scene bombs
Thinks rewards prove trials
Must be hard work
Such epic protesting
Those trials left me bored
When in just seven days
Oh, baby
I can make you T-FO-O-O-OURED!
Reprise
But a Lore Pet or a Rebirth
A hot Judgement on some warworks
Makes me Ooh shake
Makes me wanna take root in
Freedom Pocket D
Chorus
In just seven days
Oh baby
I can make you PLUS THREE-EE-EE-EE!
I dont want no dissension
Just take me to that Praetorian dimension
For all the whistles and bells
Chorus
In just seven days
I can make you OWN THE WE-E-E-ELL!!!
Dig it if you can
Chorus
In just seven days
I can make you THE MAN!
Eco
MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)