Avengers v X-Men - help my eyeballs

Too bad, with a certain movie coming out this year, the X-Men are so going to get jobbed to the Avengers, heck they'll probably have Wanda become the host for the Phoenix Force.

Most of what I know about relative strengths in the Marvel Universe comes from years of playing the old Marvel FASERIP RPG. It allows for easy comparisons.

In that RPG...Spidey's really powerful. He has moderately high strength and the best agility in the game except for superspeedsters and gods. His danger sense gives some outrageous combat bonuses. And he has a suite of utility powers (wallwalking, webbing) that can be used to create an almost unlimited number of power feats. (Also in that game system, Spidey has bucketloads of Karma because his life is so crappy. Karma wins fights. Aunt May could beat Galactus with enough Karma.)

I'd put Spidey up against any Avenger, one-on-one. He'd be an underdog against Hulk and Thor but he'd pretty easily handle almost anyone else.

The thing about Spider-Man is that he acts like the joking loser, so everyone -- even the readers -- underestimate him. No matter how powerful he really is, he pretends to be the underdog. That works for him.

The thing about Storm vs Thor: their powers both involve weather, but are very different.

Thor just does it. Storm is more of a mechanic depicted with far more granular control and a crap load of power stunts in multiple environments. Ultimate Marvel went out of its way to downplay Storm's power but this isn't Ultimate...thankfully.

This is mainstream marvel so it really will depend on how well read "comic wise that is" about the combatants.

Of course, my hope is that in the middle of the battle she undergoes apotheosis into the energy form she possessed in a future explored during some crossover in the 90's drawn by Alan Davis.

Hmmm...looking over the covers...

Magneto wins against Iron Man. Magneto has worked his powers on non-magnetic objects to many times. Even if he couldn't effect IM's suit, there's just to much around him. Magneto is also a major villain that's taken on superteams solo (because all good villains need to be able to do so, to make them a worthwhile villain to the SG).

Psylock wins against Black Widow if she's still a telepath with the psychic dagger.

Spider-Man vs Iceman. Spidey. Though really I cant imagine Spidey fighting this fight at all anyways. :/

Storm vs Thor. I'd give it to Thor. Unless he still has to use his hammer to fly, then Storm may win in an aerial battle.

Hulk vs Emma. Depends on how they play them up. Hulk is usually beaten back by powerful telepaths. Emma is a powerful telepath. But I think they'll give this one to Hulk.

Beast vs Cage. Oooo. Now this seems like an interresting fight. But it does feel like they're forgetting Beast used to be an Avenger. :/ I think this will go down to Beast winning.

Rogue vs Ms Marvel. Let's remember something. Rogue beat her before. Also, Ms Marvel has a lot of exposed skin, which is just a bad thing when going up against Rogue. While I think Rogue would win this fight, I think they'll give it to Ms Marvel.

Also I want to note I love the cover, and the artists rendition of Rogue. Also, it makes me want to put my main/namesake into a skirt/tights hero outfit (if we had better skirts >_>)

Last I knew of Angel was he could shoot out those metal feathers, and had his own healing factor now. I can't help but think that will make short work of Dare Devil.

Collosus vs Thing? Collosus. They were evenly matched before. Now Peter has the juggernaunt abilities.

Gambit vs Spider-Woman. I'd give it to Gambit myself, but I think they'll give the win to Spider-Woman.

Cyclops vs Hawkeye. If Cyclops played it serious...Cyclops. Cyclops is suppossed to be a tactical genius. Not to mention, Hawkeye with a bow isn't likely pulling any punches. So why should Cyclops. Remove the visor annialate Hawkeye and moutain behind him. Not to mention Cyke is suppossed to beable to bounce his energy beam off objects, which should beable to catch Hawkeye off guard.

Wolverine vs Cap? Wolverine. Adamantium skeleton vs someone with top human level physical strength? Cap will be lucky if he just keeps deflecting the adamantium claws with his shield.

Now Cap vs Cyke. That would be an interresting fight.

Didn't we already have Storm vs. Thor? I thought it ended pretty well.

Not to completely derail the thread, but it was Spider Island that actually turned me back onto Spider-Man after the whole OMD/OMIT stuff. It turn a lot of other lapsed fans around as well.

Wow... John Romita's cover really stands out and by that I mean it's terrible. I'm just curious how the guy keeps getting work in this business.

Some of those covers are just terrible... but the worst offender is the Wolverine vs Captain America one. I mean look,



That's just awful... and what the heck did they do to Wolverine's costume?

This is disney's fault, isn't it?

I dunno... I think the amazing rubber Spiderwoman/Gambit take the 'worst cover' award. That was all kinds of awful. Wolvie vs. Cap is just crummy action blocking and really weird faces.

... what's wrong with Cap's nose, anyways?

*sigh*

I suppose I don't really care that much anymore. Ever since I realized that there was little to no hope of any real story progression at DC and Marvel, I basically gave up.

The various Avengers should win every single fight, though Wolverine vs. Cap would be interesting.

You guys are all assuming that the writers of modern Marvel comics are basing brand new stories on any of the stories that came before. (Particularly Bendis.) Did Cap and Iron Man seem different to anyone during Civil War?

Did Cap resign in protest during the Registration? And why was everyone so eager to take Iron Man's word that Cap was wrong? The same Cap that was correct in EVERY SINGLE THING previously. Meanwhile, Iron Man is always being mind controlled, or the traitor for Kang or being drunk, or wants to kill the Supreme intelligence, or oh yeah tried to take out heroes during the Armor Wars cause no one can ever have his technology. But sure, let's believe him over Steve. :P

Recently Kitty Pryde was stuck on a flying bullet in space. So instead of saving her by having her think the following sentence several times: "Rachel, please come save me!" (Rachel Grey, her best friend, is known as Phoenix, telepath/space traveler), we have Magneto "remember" what that metal feels like months ago, and pull it through space, while sitting on a planet that is rotating and orbiting the sun.

When she gets back, she is stuck in intagible form. THE EXACT SAME CONDITION she had twenty years ago in "FF vs X-men", where Reed and Doctor Doom cured her. So when Dr. Nemesis, her current doctor, is face to face with Reed Richards, do you think he might have mentioned this once? NUPE! They just sat there admiring Cyclops current strategy, saying YUP, that Cyclops sure is a genius.

So yeah, the way Marvel handles things now, I don't think any comics written more than maybe a year ago will have anything to do with new stories. lol

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Marvel's Civil War and that whole area of Spider-Man comics... that was so bad. I was curious about those comics as it was an interesting premise, but it was SO bad. I struggled to get through it because it's so badly handled and once I read it almost all the wa up to OMD... my brain was like "You know, it seems like they were trying to make things as bad as they could possibly make them so they could justify OMD..."