Avengers v X-Men - help my eyeballs

Cap's relationship with the Government had typically been shaky at best. They were always glad when their viewpoints matched as they were able to use Cap's influence to bolster support. However Steve's ideals often also conflicted with individual political agendas causing them to backlash against him, even going to calls for replacing him as the symbol for America.

Tony Stark in the comics (not the movies), in spite of his idiosyncrasies, is a trained political lobbyist machine that spoke to government officials in ways they can relate to. So, Tony tended to have more pull on them then Steve.

As for the general populous, Steve generally has more pull, except in this case as the media was already biased toward the Government agenda because of the destruction of the school which started it all. Hell, there was one arc in which the media supported Tony's descision to release the Green Goblin so he can assassinate Atlantian dignitaries in order to pull Atlantis into the Civil War. I mean like WTH? But that's just the craziness of it all.

Well, I was actually talking about the other heroes. Particularly the ones that knew them both.

I also wondered why Steve didn't go to the government with his story. Maria Hill took it upon herself to order agents to fire guns at him, using lethal force on an unarmed man (his shield is not generally considered a weapon in the legal sense) because he vocally disagreed with a proposed bill that was not a law yet. How is she still in power? :/

Are you talking about the same Cyclops that assembled a killteam or that wants to use the probably most powerful mutant (who´s still a teen) as a soldier?
Please step in front of a speeding train (but only as a thought experiment of course) and then tell me how it went... if you have enough force, you don´t have to disintegrate your opponent to splatter him all over the next wall.

To be fair, the majority of the side plots on Civil War was basically the other heroes debating the issues among themselves and/or becomming influenced to one side or another due to some event that swayed them, due to tragedy, family, or because they found a way to exploit it...I'm looking at you Howard T. Duck.

Because Nick Fury was MIA through all of the Civil War, and Tony Stark took his reigns just afterward.

Cap's shield has absorbed forces far more powerful than Cyclops's optic blast.

He still doesn't go around killing heroes.
But that brings up something else. Have you seen the preview of A vs X?

if not, minor [SPOILER]



It is here:
http://i.marvelousnews.com/g/index.p...ze=600&start=0
on the last page,
Hope 'borrows' Cyclops powers and blasts him full force. (note he is not disintegrated lol)
...I thought Cyclops was immune to his own powers?

Go to the President, go to congress, go to the MEDIA with his story, I mean.
"government fires on unarmed man" does not look good for anybody.

If that had been full force he would´ve been dead... in one issue (90´s I think) he leveled a whole mountain. (but hey, powers fluctuate as the writers need 'em)
He better be or closing his eyes would become pretty painfull... he is however immune to Havok´s powers.

btw, why is Hope using a jetpack? Shouldn´t she be able to fly on her own?

I don't think she has any powers until she "borrows" them from someone else.

You'd think so, but in comics Cap's shield had always been portrayed as THE FRIDGE of all Indiana Jones Fridges.

All we need now is a joke about how if a woman got ahold of cap's shield she'd turn it into armor but it'd only be a bra and thong, but it'd protect all of her.

The Government, congress...well they had their own agenda to cover...um...worry about. As for the Media, umm remember what I said about them. They found out that Tony sanctioned an assasination of dignitaries of Atlantis...and they themselves decide to let that go, and even agreed with it.

Indeed, his shield has repelled THOR's hammer with ease in the past and withstood attacks from Zeus. Also now that the shield was rebuilt after FEAR ITSELF, it now has URU as part of it's unique alloy.

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

shield takes the bulk of the blast, blast disperses around and misses target completely

nothing exactly new

The shield never seemed that big, to cover his whole body unless he was doing some serious crouching.

The shield is like 2.5-3.5' in diameter... He can probably protect most of his body pretty easy... the maximum amount unprotected body Cap would have is like 4-6" if crouched as best he could.

I think he's working with the Firehose principal. The energy would be greatly dispersed *around* the shield, creating a flow that would repel more of the energy away.

But since the energy isn't like a liquid but maybe acts more like a plasma, the shield may just alter much of the energy as to create a safezone behind the shield far wider than the shield itself.

The shield absorbs energy if i remember right.

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

When hero versus hero matchups occur what happens is purely plot driven, so people who shouldn't win do and people act out of character for themselves.

People forget that Cyclop's ability is not just red beams of force spewing from his eye but includes keeping track of angles and trajectories. When Arcade first showed up and trapped the X-Men Cyclops was faced with a room full of flying, bladed fun house cars and destroyed them all at the same time by understanding where they were moving in their course and richocheting his optic beam to hit them all.

Spiderman is good and I have no doubt he could ambush the X-Men in small number or even stand up to some solo. But what was presented in Stupid. . .err, Secret Wars really should not have happened when you consider it was the core team. . .you know, those people who train together in the Dagner Room so as to be able to operate fluidly with each other?