Fix Walk/Hover-board!

Dark's correct. The amount of work it took the devs to create Ninja and Beast Run was a big factor in their decision to make the new travel powers as simple as possible. By making them as they are they've been able to get more powers out than previously possible.

I never said it was easy, I said that it could be group in with the inconvenient issues (map bug, tray clear, etc.), or set for a schedule to be worked on later. And I never mocked you, you -were- in fact the first to provide a well though out statement, however snarky refers to -how- you choose to say someone. Now, going "Oh well." and giving up allows for developers/designers/implementers to think they can push around paying customers.

Now why should I and anyone else "just deal" with -anything- we pay for? That's like buying a tire that has a leak, and going "Welp, we'lll refill this later" I'm sorry if I unintentionally got on your bad side.

Indeed! If they want power supression on carpet/board/coyote/carpet FUN!
But walk makes no sense!

I shouldn't even respond to a dreg, but -seriously-? Angst? Childish? Pretty low to try to insult someone who is merely suggesting something. If I go back a page you start an argument with snowballs, and provide a link with very vague information. FOr someone so "Above" this topic you sure spend alot of time in it.

Oh so now you are trying to go back to the false argument that the powers in question are broken when in fact they aren't.

A tire with a leak is in need of repair because it isn't functioning as it was intended to. These powers are working exactly as intended. You simply don't like the way they were designed.

Now it is possible that in the future the devs may release new travel powers that allow the use of other powers while they are active, but the devs are not going to redesign the current ones.

100% personal opinion.

The difference between ninja run, beast run, Steam jump, etc... and the rocket board, flying carpet and the coyote transformation are that the first group does not alter your character's basic stance drastically. With any of them toggled your character simply stand straight up and then can go on to any combat animations.

On the other end, on the board and carpet your character keep the same pose and must do so because most powers animation start from a different one. And then there's the powers with more moving around like any of the jumps in martial art, spring attack, foot stomp, fault, the punch attack in electric melee, lightning rod, shield charge, etc... where our character prance around a lot. How do you animate this while stuck on a board? or while turned into a canine?

That's the problem with allowing combat while using the second group of travel powers, the Devs would need to revisit every single animation for every single power in the game and do so again for every single fancy travel powers. Quite an undertaking.

I honestly wish we could still keep our toggles on, and get into the "only affecting ourselves" stance like hibernation or phase shift do. I suppose there's some technical problem I dont see with this...



Yeah, why the hell cant we have more [censored] storage damnit... Edit the containers and multiply the capacity by 100 for Pete's sake.

You're right, walk is priority one on this list of my; as it makes no sense to deny the use of powers only due to the fact you reduce your pace.

The only thin that annoys me about you is this "It's working as intended so no one has the right to complain." Sire/madam, I have a right to complain as I am a paying customer, my input is just as good as yours. Why should -anyone- complain about -anything-. Your's is a tragic mentality to have, why get walked on like a common carpet if you have a voice.Now go smack down someone else's requests and feedback, I'm deathly tired of you repeating yourself.

Nice try but you still fail. You are the one upset because you can't formulate a valid argument to support your suggestion. And please quote where I claimed to be above the topic of this thread. If I felt this suggestion was beneath me I wouldn't bother responding.

But please continue, the mental gymnastics you're performing are entertaining.

Reading comprehension. You should get some and use it. Nowhere did I say you have no right to complain. What I have been refuting is your pathetic insistence that certain powers are broken when they in fact are working exactly as they were designed to.

If you are going to complain about game mechanics don't make up or twist the facts. When you do that people will call you on it just as they have done here.

And if you don't like people disagreeing with your, "complaints" as you call them, then you should send them directly to the devs via private message. When you post openly in the forums you have no authority to dictate who responds.

Aha! finally a second one who raises a good point, though lightning rod and spring attack cannot be activated when in flight, Foot stomp was covered earlier, You can hit people avove you, why not all around you? and with the lower that cause you to jump, rebalancing quickly isn't impossible, Lightning rod/shield charge teleports you and your clothing so why not the board along with it? Just because you character strikes a pose on a board does not mean they cannot return to it. As for coyote, I covered this: It could make sense to only give is a bate animation brawl, and walk as you become an animal. Now the "Only Efffecting self makes sense only for powers that require complete concentration like affterburner (you focus everything to fly fast)

1. It's fun you continue to insult me, it proves alot of things.
2. Complaining and suggesting are two different things, I was infact suggesting.
3. I said if you are high on the pedestal, why bother with this suggestion? And I have no idea what planet/how much you spent on the game for the developers to adknowledge you existance. Getting the "Thank you for X, we'll sednd it to the department"and never get a responce tends to force you to the frorum. I respec disagreement, but your's is condescending, this gains no respect from me let alone the world. The forum title does not give you the right to be so. We are done here, unless you can be more respectful/kind/informative.

Dont mix in-game RP conceptual reasons and game mechanics, they are totally different.

Like I said the reason we cannot fight on the board / carpet is because the Devs would need to review all the animations and that's not happening. I dont even need to mention the coyote, it's not the same skeleton to begin with, forget using powers and the Devs cannot allow us to fight with even only some power on the board / carpet and only bite people to death while in coyote form, someone WILL [censored] about it, it's 100% guarantied.

The "only affecting self" was only a way to keep our toggles one while using the travel power, not because my character need to concentrate or whatever. "Only affecting self" means "cannot activate any other powers" if that actually works anyway.

Hm true, But aloowing power to be used in walk/board/carpet, but not allow coyotes to use brawl would raise even more hell. And to the only affecting self, flying faster/becoming intangible requires ALOT of concentration by magic/mutation/science/natural standards, and for technology it would require most of your power-equipments power reserves. People think I ask for god more, or use ridiculous examples like "WOuld a coyote stand on it's ind legs and paw at the opponent" or "allowing the COyote to use brawl would be imbalanced" However you are raising good questions that allow me to think and work on this idea.

That's a sword that cut's both ways. Your own posts prove a lot of things about you as well. Anyone reading this thread can easily see that I'm not the one that went back and tried to stealth edit his posts half a dozen times so they'd say something different from what was originally posted.

No by your own admission you've been complaining.

Or did you forget posting that? I can see how that's possible considering how often you flip flopped on what this thread was intended to be.

First you started it off as a complaint/petition, then changed it to a suggestion, then back to a complaint, and now it's a suggestion again.

That can get confusing especially with all the editing you've been doing every couple of hours.

Rofl! This from the person who insulted the devs in his first post by accusing them of being lazy for not fixing powers that aren't broken.

For the most part, this falls under 'Standard Code Rant'. Now add that amount of time plus animations for the couple of new weapon stances added since this post (back in '08) times each Non-Com Travel Power. It just realistically isn't worth it.


Thank you for the time...

I see, thank you for poviding a dev quote. I'll address this later today when I am not tired. <3

Ya none of that explains why these travel powers de-toggle everything.

They would most likely make a butt ton more money if they let us leave our toggles on. No idea why they don't. No red name cares to explain either so I'm just gonna go with laziness.

Actually, it does. Time is money.

And because nobody else has posted it for the OP:

At the moment I'm not gonna bother re-searching for BAB's post on Walk, but here's what I recall on the Power's History:

• BAB started to put [Walk] together in his spare time when the CoH Dev team (under Cryptic at that time) was about 15 people total.
• [Walk] was intended as a RP, Non-Combat Power. I think he mentioned things about the Detoggling of Powers & the like after the Power's release, but I'm not sure.

Now since Powers like the Rocket Board & Flying Carpet are in the same vein of RP-based Non-Combat Powers, shouldn't the same things apply to them as [Walk]?

[Ninja Run] is a different bit of a thing. It was meant to be pseudo-combat Power, so that meant extra Animations were to be done when the scheduling of the Power's Development took place. And it's still a Power that has to be looked at whenever a new Weapon Power is added (the floating TW models come to mind...).

Bottom Line: Using the BAB quote I listed upthread, to make 3 Non-Combat Powers effective in combat, you would need to schedule Development time for, let's say, roughly 105 - 110 Animations per Power. Is it honestly worth the time and money cost involved and hoping you're not seriously breaking anything else in the Code to do that? The Devs, at this time, don't believe it is worth it.

Thank you for the time...

walk was free rocket board and magic carpet aren't.

Oh dear god, you didn't come into a Best Buy in Virginia Tuesday and buy a 25 pack of CD-Rs, did you?

I had a customer who came in and wanted to purchase a pack of CD-Rs. He asked me to do a price check on a pack of 25. I did, and they came up $17.99. He then informed me that they were tagged as a 30 pack of CD-RWs for $29.99. He then went on to explain that I should give him a discount because they were mis-tagged. When I said no, he then tried to explain that since there are 5 fewer CD-Rs then the tagged indicated pack of CD-RWs and that by comparing CD-RWs as being comparable to 25 CD-Rs each (Since you can re-write on a CD-RW approximately 25 times where has with a CD-R you can only write on once) then the pack of 25 CD-Rs should be priced to a point approximately 1/30th the price of the 30 pack of CD-RWs.

I'm sorry, just because you can string a bunch of words and numbers together with the concept "logic" to be inferred does not make a logical argument.

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If time truly is money then they should have allowed toggles to stay active during rocket board/magic carpet. They would have made way more money and thus their time would have been worth more. Instead they suckered themselves out of money. I bought the rocket board you know how the old saying goes "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"


They lost a customer in me and others. I would have bought every travel power released if only toggles were allowed to stay active. Now I won't. Those words that's money flushing down the toilet for paragon studios cause some lazy developer couldn't spend a little extra time to code that toggles stay active while these travels are active.

Wish I was allowed to half *** my job like some of these devs do lol.

I was talking about letting toggles stay active during rocket board/magic carpet. No new animations please go back and reread my post cause I think you may be responding to someone else.

Oh ya and walk was free rocket board/ magic carpet aint.