Remove the Midnighter unlock requirement

From a discussion elsewhere... and irritation at this through the years.

There's no real reason to "lock" Cimerora/the Midnighters club. It's the only locked zone there is, since the removal of level limits on hazard zones. There's nothing particularly special about either the Club or Cimerora - and the one thing Cim has to offer, the ITF (yes, I know, there are two NPCs with fairly bland arcs and some bland repeatables) can be an annoyance when you go to join and suddenly find... oh, wait, THIS character hasn't run the (fairly time consuming and not particularly fun) unlock arc. Then either you hunt through for a character to run it, or tell your friends to go on without you.

Plus, the level for the unlock arc is different between the sides. Heroside, talk to Montague at 10-15. Villainside, 35 or so. For no particularly good reason. (And with side switching, you can't assume your "hero" has unlocked it, or your "villain" hasn't.)

While we're at it, dump the arcs. Make them like the RWZ arcs, if you need a "lore" reason - talk, quick kill mission, talk, talk, talk, done. You now have your flavor with a minimum of irritation or time. Just *never* having to see Lady Suicidal-Gunslinger or deal with the ridiculous time-waster of "curing" the lost (why does it have that much recharge on something that gives no XP again?) would be worth it. The villainside arc is shorter, of course, but "Hunt 4 specific NPCs in an orenbanga maze" doesn't qualify as "fun" for most people, it seems. Can't imagine why.

Edit: Scratch the "Dump the arc" bit. There's another suggestion elsewhere to revise and streamline them, which - sure, why not. Just don't make them a requirement to unlock the club/Cimerora.

/Signed.

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Agreed, since from a canon point of view the Midnighters were supposed to 'returning' and trying to hide the 'secret' Pillar of Ice and Flame they'd nabbed from the Menders.

Given we now know Ramiel AND Silos both know about it, not to mention everyone and their pesky dog knowing about the club by now, it seems redundant to still have all the supposed secrecy. Not to mention having to run the arc every damn time on every character just to get to Cimerora got old the first few times, let alone the next bunch.

So, /Signed

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Or if they want to keep it as is, why not let us mail ourselves Midnighter Unlock tokens with Astral merits just like you can mail yourself Alpha, cape and aura unlocks?

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I never had a problem with it myself. Is it really that hard to run those missions?

Though I do miss being able to give people the badge when ever I wanted.

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But keep the level lock on Cim at 35. Having to unlock midnighters is part of the story. It is an organization that is special but for how long it's been out it time to remove that stupid unlock arc.

Side note:
I like how it's talked about a lot more since they finally fixed the Latin student bug :P.

Maybe a simplified version of the lock. Once your account has run the arc, it becomes a global unlock or something?

"You got to dig it to dig it, you dig?"
Thelonious Monk

Agreed, I am for an account wide opening.

I don't mind having to unlock Cim, but I would like to have some alternative mission arcs to do it with. I have put roughly 40 toons through the same mission arc, they need some variety.

In my opinion, the Midnighter's need some lovin, more access locations, a new zone or three and an expansion of Cim would be very very sweet, and adding a Deadelus or Sister Arailia TF would be cake. But most importantly some new unlock mission arcs!

QR

So you would rather
A: pester someone on a global channel to let you join them for the last mish to get the badge
B: wait for someone who is handing the last mission to the latin student to get the badge.

What do you guys do if an ITF is starting up you would like to join but no one is about to talk to the latin student and you don't have the badge yet?

/unsigned

I like knowing people know how to get around the game world even if that means running a handful of missions that take 30 minutes or less. Especially if I'm about to do a TF/SF with them.

Sorry but this idea only breeds noobs something that I can not support. Especially with all the Freemiums joining as of late.

an emphatic NO,NOT SIGNED!

I for one as an avid RPer among the ranks of the midnighters enjoy having a gate on the door, as annoying as it may seem to the riff raff.

As an avid TF leader, when I do bother to run an ITF I definatly want people who know where the zone is, and some of the lore surounding it, if they dont care about lore they can play another game as far as I am concerned.

If people cant be bothered to run through the unlocking arc, they certainly cant be relied upon to bother running through a whole TF, which unless speed ran will take a lot longer then that quick and easy unlock arc.

The arc helps weed out the inferior type of personality tha doesnt belong in our game. if you cant easily solo that arc in 30 min or less your character or play style have HUGE flaws you need to improve. Or play a different game.

Its really just like the incarnate unlocking arc. I dont personally think anyone who cant easily solo Trapdoor has any business touching any of the incarnate content.

If you think your on a team running an ITF, and being useful, when you couldnt even unlock the arc on your own, then you can be sure your presence on that team is equally meaningless.

And thats the real crux right there, far to little in game education will only breed more players who come to the forums QQing that things are to hard when compared to content challenge in year one, they have 0 clue of what hard could be. Remember the old TV respec trial? It was once a true challenge, true fun, and had a real chance of failure. Now its a joke we run to kill time for some easy merits. Except when you have a passel of newbs or eccentric old timers who refuse to adapt to the current game. Those types only ever equal filling a body slot to get a tf started, they never equal being a useful part of the team, and those players rarely last long enough to bother becoming contributing citizens of paragon.

So thank you OP but no I would rather drink tea in my private little club with those I know and can count upon, rather then let it become a noisy, over crowded social zone for newbs who think harry potter is cooler then harry dresden. Let alone a better source of inspiration for a magical hero in paragon.