Remove the Midnighter unlock requirement
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Aett_Thorn,
Posted on: 2012-01-25 09:40 in Suggestions and Ideas
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
.... what are you babbling about? Did you READ the request? Removing the unlock wouldn't require you to "pester" anyone. You would be able to... wait for it... join the ITF instead of being locked out of it.
Er... you already KNOW where to go. You just can't get there. This does not support anyone "knowing how to get around the game world." This series of missions doesn't even support "knowing how to get around Steel Canyon." Besides, you have noticed things like, oh, "Teleport to Contact," base teleporters, mission teleporters, the top tier zone teleport in the teleport pool... right? Generally, pointing someone to the tram/ferry lets people know "how to get around the game world." A ridiculous series of missions locking you out of a zone does not. I've played with multi-year vets who were utterly inept and a bigger drag on the mission/TF than the "newbies." They should, in theory, know "how to get around" (and work with others) better than they did. Obviously running a completely unrelated series of missions didn't help them. .... right. That makes you look SO much better. Especially when you're acting like one yourself with this response. Perhaps next time you should actually try *reading* what you respond to. |
Ya 0k rage moar son lol.
what next, remove the badges needed for the accolades? I mean I've got them all before I know where all mobs are for the defeat badges and explore badges. What's the point n even playing the game at this point lol.
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
"Riff raff?"
What we don't need in the game are elitist jackholes, thanks. Much like you're being here. The "Inferior type of personality?" Frankly, that's what you're showing here. Not only did I not bother reading the rest of your tripe, but after seeing this kind of elitist BS, I don't think anything you have to say about *anything* is worthwhile. Oh, and do note this isn't about the *ability* to finish the arc. There's nowhere that I said I couldn't. It's about having an artificial barrier in place that doesn't need to be there. But thanks for proving you earn the first three letters of assume. |
You got rage problems, may I suggest a shrink?
PS it's a game it's all about the artificial barriers. Without them we got a crap shoot of no achievement crapfest
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Stop posting while you're behind. The only thing you're doing is making yourself look even more foolish with every word you try to type. Removing the badges for accolades is absolutely NOTHING like the suggestion. But go on pretending you have a point to make. Only thing you're doing is making yourself look like the south end of a northbound horse. |
Originally Posted by Lucky666
Ya 0k rage moar son lol.
what next, remove the badges needed for the accolades? I mean I've got them all before I know where all mobs are for the defeat badges and explore badges. What's the point n even playing the game at this point lol. |
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| PS it's a game it's all about the artificial barriers. Without them we got a crap shoot of no achievement crapfest |
COH is one of the most barrier-free, casual-friendly, socially-enabling MMOs out there. I want to get rid of one more barrier.
Removing those has not turned the game into "a crap shoot of no achievement crapfest," as you put it. Nor will removing this one.
And if you agree with Mr. Elitist "I AM ROLEPLAYER, I need NOT this RIFF-RAFF!" ... well, you're not exactly a shining example of a great teammate, anyway. Though it does sound like you'd be the "inferior type of personality" Mr. Elitist there would snub.
Wanted: Origin centric story arcs.
If you've only played an AT once (one set combo) and "hate" it - don't give up. Roll a different combo. It may just be those sets not clicking for you.
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
Stop posting while you're behind. The only thing you're doing is making yourself look even more foolish with every word you try to type. Removing the badges for accolades is absolutely NOTHING like the suggestion. But go on pretending you have a point to make. Only thing you're doing is making yourself look like the south end of a northbound horse.
Riiight... are we playing the same game? You noticed the removal of level barriers from hazard zones, right? And from the RWZ? And the introduction of SSKing, to make teaming easier - which is what the suggestion's about, removing one more barrier to teaming? COH is one of the most barrier-free, casual-friendly, socially-enabling MMOs out there. I want to get rid of one more barrier. Removing those has not turned the game into "a crap shoot of no achievement crapfest," as you put it. Nor will removing this one. And if you agree with Mr. Elitist "I AM ROLEPLAYER, I need NOT this RIFF-RAFF!" ... well, you're not exactly a shining example of a great teammate, anyway. Though it does sound like you'd be the "inferior type of personality" Mr. Elitist there would snub. |
/signed
Lucky: You're way off base. Stop. I've seen you before, you're better than this. Stop making an *** of yourself. Your first reply had absolutely nothing to do with what the OP said, and you're just digging yourself in deeper.
DV: Stop being a snob. I have over 300 characters. Is having a few on a server - which I'd have to log in and out of to check, anyway - and not wanting to hold up a team making me 'riff raff' or an 'undesirable?' I damn well know what *I'm* doing, and "RP" as a reason for this sort of thing - yeah, no. I'm an RPer as well. I don't want that to be a reason for splitting people. It certainly doesn't make me any better or worse than someone else.
Aett: Depends. Are there onions nearby?
Scarlett Shocker: Don't know if a global unlock makes sense for this. For some things, yes. This is just kind of an archaic throwback, IMHO, that should just lose the unlock. Keep the arc (or an arc,) drop the restrictions.
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LOL! good one. Catching spears would be fun.
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
Does that mean you ran into walls, bumped into people and toppled a priceless urn? Or is that just without paying attention?
 Regardless, I'd say remove the level-lock as well, then - the content's already restricted, if someone wants to run their level 12 whatever around in there to play "Catch the spear," let 'em. |
Thorns - Spines/Willpower Scrapper (1366 Badges)
Great idea. Lets also have the Midnighters arc available from AE. In fact, make all arcs available from AE. Then next lets make every power/toggle available with just the right mouse button via 'Predictive Combat'. Now with that in place bring a trainer/merit vendor/PvP zone and Mother Ship to AE. All that will then be required is to close all the unused zones and have a Paragon Reward option of having someone else play the game on your behalf. Oh no, that's already in place with the RMT'ers.
/signed
Yup. No reason to be locked.
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Originally Posted by Demetrios Vasilikos
an emphatic NO,NOT SIGNED!
I for one as an avid RPer among the ranks of the midnighters enjoy having a gate on the door, as annoying as it may seem to the riff raff. As an avid TF leader, when I do bother to run an ITF I definatly want people who know where the zone is, and some of the lore surounding it, if they dont care about lore they can play another game as far as I am concerned. If people cant be bothered to run through the unlocking arc, they certainly cant be relied upon to bother running through a whole TF, which unless speed ran will take a lot longer then that quick and easy unlock arc. The arc helps weed out the inferior type of personality tha doesnt belong in our game. if you cant easily solo that arc in 30 min or less your character or play style have HUGE flaws you need to improve. Or play a different game. Its really just like the incarnate unlocking arc. I dont personally think anyone who cant easily solo Trapdoor has any business touching any of the incarnate content. If you think your on a team running an ITF, and being useful, when you couldnt even unlock the arc on your own, then you can be sure your presence on that team is equally meaningless. So thank you OP but no I would rather drink tea in my private little club with those I know and can count upon, rather then let it become a noisy, over crowded social zone for newbs who think harry potter is cooler then harry dresden. Let alone a better source of inspiration for a magical hero in paragon. |
Whatever you are on, I WANT me some.
Oh, and as an RPer, can I apologise to everyone else and point out that not all of us suffer from cranial-rectal reversal disorder.
Tangent; What the hell does soloing have to do with 'competence' and Trapdoor? I mean, heaven forbid I want to get Incarnate powers on my Empathy/Psi Defender who is, you know, a team based character? Not to mention all the other support ATs?
Not to mention this has absolutely naff all to do with 'difficulty' and far more to do with 'Oh god, yay, this tedious pile of drivel for the umpteen-millionth time'. Montague's arc is not hard. It IS tedious, samey and a stupid time sink that people, myself included, are sick of having to run on every damn character.
So, please. Dr Hobo wants his soapbox back.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I love you, so hard, so very very hard for this excellent post. |
Originally Posted by Demetrios Vasilikos
as annoying as it may seem to the riff raff.
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Good sir, you deserve a pat on the back, and a firm handshake. Why you deserve the finest champagne or is that bubbly? You deserve caviar, exotic - rare - delicacies, and nearly extinct fur. I dare say you deserve to bumbler with the highest societies in life including the President of the United States and the Prime Ministers from across the globe, even the Pope would ''get down to funky town'' disco party with you! I bet even the celebrities would fly from every place on the globe to get YOUR signature, and no one in the Ivy League has ever reached your dominating stature.
You sir, must driiiiiiiive a Mercedes.
Good day, and fine Afternoon.
Flamestorms aside, I could go for the Midnighters being more-sensibly unlocked.
Remember, when the Midnighter Club was first unveiled, the unlock seemed reasonable because it was guarding Cimerora and was new and shiny.
Sure, it explains more about the Lost's relationship with the Rikti, and has some fun arcs (esp. Mercedes Sheldon) but I can agree wholeheartedly with the notion of having to unlock on every single character being dull.
Far from being conducive to immersion-laden RP, it's now a stupid barrier that holds little meaning, seeing as pretty much everyone in-game knows what the Midnight Squad does.
And I feel that now this bit of the forums is open to Free People, I should advertise by way of a teaser to try and make folks part with their cash and become subscribers: The role of the Midnight Squad is expanding in issue 22! Oooh! More shiny! But only if you're Incarnate!
The thing I'm stuck on is how to trivialise the unlock for the future but retain the badges and their associated meaning? Perhaps a mission where you have to protect a member of the Squad whilst they run around a warehouse, curing the Lost? I dunno.
TL;DR - /signed
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Keep the story arch for the badge, But make the zone free access.
[not worth my time]
Nuclear Annihilation: 50. (Rad/Rad) Corruptor.
Quasar Eclipse: 50 Warshade.
Humanoid No. 7: 50 (Invuln/SS) Tank.
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I don't mind working to get to LVL 35 ... But I see no reason to have to discover/learn about The midnighters. |
Originally Posted by Chef_Inferno
Next people will ask for a level 50 toon for signing up for VIP. I love CoH/V but I started when you had to earn things in the game. No travel power till level 14, extra zones had a level requirements, etc. It took me over a year to get a level 50, partly due too altitis. I enjoyed ever min of it. Please stop dumbing the game down just to make a buck.
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That being said. I have no problem with the story arch if I'm a tank. but anything else is annoying.
The 2 things that most need to be fixed if nothing else is ... the suicidal girl and remove the recharge on the wand OR Make the wand PBAoE.
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Originally Posted by Twigman
The 2 things that most need to be fixed if nothing else is ... the suicidal girl and remove the recharge on the wand OR Make the wand PBAoE. |
Nuclear Annihilation: 50. (Rad/Rad) Corruptor.
Quasar Eclipse: 50 Warshade.
Humanoid No. 7: 50 (Invuln/SS) Tank.
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[QUOTE=Chef_Inferno;4093445]Next people will ask for a level 50 toon for signing up for VIP.[/qutoe]
Y'know what I'd love? For people to not get all hyperbolic about things because of wanting to remove one of the last locks in the game.
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This is not "dumbing down," as much as some of these opposing responses seem to indicate it may be needed. You'd still have to be 35 to run missions, etc. in Cim. You'll still have to fight romans for costume bits, and run the ITF for others. And this has absolutely NOTHING to do with "making a buck." What does it have to do with? Removing the need for a tedious arc that's inconsistent between sides on when it's awarded. Removing the *last* zone unlock left (a co-op zone, as it happens.) | I love CoH/V but I started when you had to earn things in the game. No travel power till level 14, extra zones had a level requirements, etc. It took me over a year to get a level 50, partly due too altitis. I enjoyed ever min of it. Please stop dumbing the game down just to make a buck. |
Perhaps you'd like to read the original post again and actually try *thinking* about the response before posting it.
And don't go into the "Walking uphill through ten feet of snow at thirty below wearing nothing but a fifth-hand pair of worn khakis, damp cloth wrapped around my feet, no shirt, for fifty miles just to get a drink of water" nonsense. I've been around long enough to have seen the same things, and removing the silly restrictions has done nothing but make the game *better* and more enjoyable.
Wanted: Origin centric story arcs.
If you've only played an AT once (one set combo) and "hate" it - don't give up. Roll a different combo. It may just be those sets not clicking for you.
I don't see why some people are so up in arms about this. Wow. You'd think someone suggested selling their female relatives for group carnal entertainment or something.
I'd love this. Yes, I'm premium, but have quite a few characters already. I can join any other task force as long as I'm the right level, but I already tripped over this one. I switched a villain over to hero, so I was already past the level this is usually offered at, and the contact probably got lost in the pile of others I got for switching in the 20s.
So, I'm in the 30s, someone offers an Imperious TF and I say yes, since I don't have hours on end for some of the classic TFs and the ITF is quick and fun. Now, I jump back and forth between characters, and most have this unlocked (and I hate the every-spawn-with-anathemas at low level in that unlock arc.) Get there and... "Oh, you can't enter."
Result? Boot from the team, because they DO want to do the ITF, and not half an hour or whatever later. (I think someone had a time limit.) That character still hasn't run it, even though they could use the unlocked costume pieces, and the fact I felt *forced* to run the arc removed anything that might have been fun about it (and, really, there isn't anything particularly fun or special about the arc. I have run it before. It's boring. Even the attempts at "funny" dialog get old fast.)
Count me in as signing for wanting this lock removed.
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Originally Posted by Chef_Inferno
Next people will ask for a level 50 toon for signing up for VIP. I love CoH/V but I started when you had to earn things in the game. No travel power till level 14, extra zones had a level requirements, etc. It took me over a year to get a level 50, partly due too altitis. I enjoyed ever min of it. Please stop dumbing the game down just to make a buck.
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Right, explain to me what part of removing the need for a long, boring, run-to-death-on-every-damn-alt arc has to do with 'dumbing down', other than a short hand for 'I don't like it, and I think everyone who disagrees with me is stupid'?
And I took 15 months to get my first 50, probably longer for my second 50 and first villain. Does that somehow make my opinion more valid than yours? Other than the fact I'm not trying to call anyone 'dumb'.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Originally Posted by Chef_Inferno
Next people will ask for a level 50 toon for signing up for VIP. I love CoH/V but I started when you had to earn things in the game. No travel power till level 14, extra zones had a level requirements, etc. It took me over a year to get a level 50, partly due too altitis. I enjoyed ever min of it. Please stop dumbing the game down just to make a buck.
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When I were a lad, we 'ad proper snowstorms. Not these airy-fairy light showers o' white dust. We 'ad to crawl on our 'ands and knees through five mile of snow to get to school and e'en then the teacher'd break our knuckles if we were a minute late...
I too was once of the opinion that 'This game is going the way of DOOOM' in terms of wanting everything now as opposed to 'working for it'.
But really, if there was a tweak to the story arc that did away with pointless courier missions, which aren't work so much as a couple of minutes pointing my character in the right direction after pressing 'R', and had a couple of door missions, two of which weren't identical, would it be such a bad thing?
I actually like the Midnighter arc in terms of levelling a character, as Lost are a good foil, relatively high in XP owing to the Rectors, and are a good teaming session. I'm even going to be controversial enough to suggest that the suicidal Lady Jane stay. Something about having a renowned Leeroy as an NPC gives the game flavour and character.
But an update to the Midnight Squad arc would be neat. I think the devil lies in the details of how the lock is removed and what replaces it (eg without having to get to Cimerora using the Midnighter Club).
/Signed.
Highly annoying especially now that you have made sure it is run by every single character ever created for everyone.
Is this to give extra temptation for a purchasable account option you guys are cooking up?
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Hard? Nope. Boring and irritating? Yep.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
I never had a problem with it myself. Is it really that hard to run those missions?
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I haven't started a new character in roughly 600hrs (I really, really love my all-purpose built SS/FA broot), but I co-lead a somewhat active SG and we all do the ITF every few nights or nightly, so we have to run an obscene amount of Midnighters arcs to get new characters/players into the ITF.
And damn that arc gets boring quickly.
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
"Riff raff?"
What we don't need in the game are elitist jackholes, thanks. Much like you're being here. The "Inferior type of personality?" Frankly, that's what you're showing here. Not only did I not bother reading the rest of your tripe, but after seeing this kind of elitist BS, I don't think anything you have to say about *anything* is worthwhile. Oh, and do note this isn't about the *ability* to finish the arc. There's nowhere that I said I couldn't. It's about having an artificial barrier in place that doesn't need to be there. But thanks for proving you earn the first three letters of assume. |
Since you seem intent on attacking my character rather then discuss logical views. See inspite of the IC tone of my first post, it was still a general statement and not directed at you nor anyone else specifically but again, perhaps your feeling to sensitive still and taking things personally?
Let me tell you a little trick, be likable and people will like to help you out.
FOr example when the ITF was WST this last month, a friend of mine had just gotten a character of his to 35, he is abit of an altaholic poor guy, so he ofcourse needed to unlock the club still.
I had learned this after sending him a tell mentioning I was going to start up a ITF to knock it out for the week on my beloved blaster Bentley Berkeley of Virtue. THe poor guy goes, ah man Id love to get that done on this guy, but I need to get access to the club.
See he did even think to ask another to knock out what is to most just a quick arc though not always one free of challenge.
I go hey bud, helping young heroes earn the trust of the midnighters is what Ol **** is all about.
So I hop on back to present day, and we knock out the arc in like 15 minutes. All the while my friend who hasnt gotten to run alot with Ol **** in his element, is tickeled to death by the RPing of my character. He isnt a big RPer himself though a big fan of the games lore, and by the end was really feeling like he was experiancing an arc made just for him. That is what I use my RP to do to help enriche
our game for others. RP like that loses alot of its impact if the game world stops having RP requirements.Whether you like it or not, can you really argue the logic behind needing to earn the trust of one of the most secretive orders within paragon? Sure we older players know it all, new players dont, and need to have the same chance to experiance that as we did. You may call it boring now, but was it that first time? how about that first time with each different AT? Or the real challenge involved in trying to protect LJ? I would have 0 ish with them making a 80 point unlock per character option on the store for those in a hurry. Play to play or pay to avoid play thats my view plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by Lulipop
I love you, so hard, so very very hard for this excellent post.
Good sir, you deserve a pat on the back, and a firm handshake. Why you deserve the finest champagne or is that bubbly? You deserve caviar, exotic - rare - delicacies, and nearly extinct fur. I dare say you deserve to bumbler with the highest societies in life including the President of the United States and the Prime Ministers from across the globe, even the Pope would ''get down to funky town'' disco party with you! I bet even the celebrities would fly from every place on the globe to get YOUR signature, and no one in the Ivy League has ever reached your dominating stature. You sir, must driiiiiiiive a Mercedes. Good day, and fine Afternoon. |
Oh and I drive a 67 impala, sorry its just a 2 door, not quite the same as Deans baby on Supernatural
And if you do enjoy odd old school banter, look up bentley Berkeley of virtue, its usually him I am channeling when I go all tea sipping gentleman in the RP.
But I must be honest. I do have an agenda. I am pretty anti Altaholic. I much prefer having a small stable of Mains that I use, and typically my new toons since are just them with different variations on power sets. Like well, most of my unarmed guys are getting new variants using Street justice. But still theya re most just fun casual solo play things.
I tend to encourage fellow players in game to find that one AT that one power combo that really just fits for you and embrace it and a character to go with it. Its rarely the power sets and far more often growing weary from socializing that ever drives me from COX as one can only hear so many back stories from the same player before you start to relize all thier supposedly different concepts are still just the same one with something of a god mode aspect needing just about every AT out there to flesh out thier supposed powers.
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I believe that BMW used to be the applicable car for what I believe you're implying. But now it's the Aston Martin ... atleast that's what Top Gear told me LOL
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/signed
Unlocking the zone is a good idea: the arc is tedious and offers nothing new to anyone who has done it once already. Cimerora is just another hazard zone, so it should function as such. The ITF can continue to have a level 35+ minimum requirement, just like any other TF with such requirements.
RPers or those who want the badges can continue to run the arc, if they wish to do so.