Not only is Statesman dead, but so is everyone related to him.

I don't know the lore like the back of my hand, but the only relatives Statesman has, that I know of are Ms. and Miss Liberty.

We killed his daughter, or Malaise did, in a recent WWD. His granddaughter is killed in the LRSF. And finally, States himself is supposed to be killed on the 17th in WWD5.

I have a feeling it is a very bad idea to be related to States right now. And that isn't even counting the many dimensional States we have defeated.

His brother-in-law's still alive.

His granddaughter is still alive and kicking, too. She isn't killed in the RSF, just hurt REAL bad.

Yeah, otherwise she wouldn't be around for the Who Will Die? arc.

Richter's still alive.

I'm not sure about Ms. Liberty - LRSF is at level 50, SSA is at level 40 (currently) - IIRC story is at a per level basis and Liberty could very well be dead or not in story when SSAs are at level 50.

There is still Master Recluse alive

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Originally Posted by Wavicle CoH players are stupid and incompetent compared to WoW players.

Recluse's orders in the strike force are specifically for you to kidnap, not kill, Ms. Liberty.

Ms Liberty is alive and kicking! Hopefully they won't kill her off, as I rather like her. Kill off BaBs instead or Manticore!

Perma-death in the comic book superhero genre is about as rare as plausible physics and tasteful female costumes.

Just sayin'...

Considering that Ms. Liberty is alive and coaching newb heroes in Atlas Square, it seems a bit overstated to assume that your villain succeeded in killing her in the LRSF. You might as well say that Statesman and the entire Freedom Phalanx are already dead since you defeat all of them in that strike force also.

As mentioned trying to base story line on Level progression doesn't work... I have done the LRSF and never assumed I "killed" any of the heroes.. i simply defeated them and of course Statesman would be upset to hear his Grand daughter was badly injured!

If we try to use the level logic then how can Statesman die when we are in our low 40s and then turn right around and be alive and sending us to battle Arachnos at level 45 on his Task Force?

We have to assume, levels aside, that the SSA takes place NOW... Statsman is still alive to send you off on his tf, etc, etc.

Most of the story does unfold based on level, making the assumption that we encounter content (and the revelations it makes) in the same chronological order that we gain levels in.

The SSAs seem to be an explicit exception to that trend, because they are setting up a game world change that will happen at some point in real-world time, as opposed to the presumed time line presented to us as we level.

It does raise an interesting question. Since (according to Positron) at some point the game lore will be updated to explicitly remove (edit: a living) Statesman, does that mean the SSAs are transient, and will eventually go away? They largely seem to exist to set up Statesman's death. Once he's gone and removed, that won't make any sense.

The SSA's explicitly take place in the present. The SSAs mention the Faultline story as having occured five years ago. Levels no longer represent a marking in time.

The conceit that time progresses as you level up is pretty much just a legacy thing nowadays. It's been a long time since new content was written with that progression in mind. The arrival of the Reichsman and his attempt to create an Evil League of Evil amongst the signature villains of the game is one of the more jarring examples I can think of.

the man marcus cole has been dead for a long time. His body is just a shell possessed by an entity that once was called Zeus. He has used this guise to subvert the faith of humanity once more for himself. Feeding upon the latent psionic energy inside every sentient life.

Do not kid yourselves. Should one avatar fall many more exist. Our war is far from over. Fear not though for we the good people at Crey will not yield earth to the enemy.

Crey. Because we care!

I think its all in flux. I view the story arcs and TFs as kinda like comic books. The Sig arcs are always going to be there for me to play, I hope, like my comics are always on the shelf for me if I want to revisit The Day The Law Died or Born Again.

Eco

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@Everyone commenting on "Level Progression = Time"
Thanks for clearing that up for me!

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