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Considering the Devs have stated that you cannot get any repeats over different buys of the pack (that is if you have a certain piece, that piece won't be coming in any other pack you buy), unless consumables get to ignore this rule, I'd say it's pretty much less than any of those scenerios for the other game.
I'm pretty sure that consumables and ATIOs are going to ignore the no-repeat rules. If they don't, there will be an even bigger outcry than there is already. Being only able to get one set of, f'rex, the Scrapper ATIO ever through cards would make people livid. And, wow, the prices in inf for trading them would be INSANE. (And the ATIO enhancers would have to be repeatable by design.) Also, it would be crazy from the point of view of profit not to allow people to spend money on packs to slot ATIOs on multiple characters of the same AT.

The costume set being spread across all rarities sounds nice on the face of it. However, what it means is that a (relatively) low number of pack purchases will get you most of the costume pieces in the set. Not all. Probably not the nicest and most significant ones, assuming the packs are designed by people who want to make money. Then you're chasing the pieces from the Rare and Very Rare brackets, where the Very Rare are competing with 72 ATIOs plus ATIO enhancers, plus whatever else is in that pool. Not such good odds.


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correct, the consumables will repeat, as will the ATIOs


 

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Just have to wait what the pricing for these will be.
Eh? It's been confirmed to be $1 per pack, 80 points.


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correct, the consumables will repeat, as will the ATIOs
I'm okay with this, so long as everything can be traded.


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Does tht mean we get a prize?


 

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I challenged Z to give us the exact odds for the packs, or commit to doing so when the odds were set. As I expected, this was ignored.
You demanded that a forum moderator give you specific numbers relating to a game feature that isn't even in beta yet?

I can't imagine why you would expect that to go ignored.


 

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You demanded that a forum moderator give you specific numbers relating to a game feature that isn't even in beta yet?

I can't imagine why you would expect that to go ignored.
Challenged, not demanded. There's a unsubtle difference there. And I don't need the numbers just a commitment that the real numbers will be released.

There are many reasons why these numbers would be kept secret. Pretty much all of them are not to the benefit of the consumers. If Paragon expects us to believe that they're not trying to soak us for a quick buck, it would behoove them to back up their talk with numbers.

'Guaranteed rare or vrare' was their first attempt. It pretty much died a laughable death when it was revealed that Windfall counted as a rare drop.


 

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It's still ridiculous to ask for information like that when it's not even in the testing phase yet.


 

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There are many reasons why these numbers would be kept secret. Pretty much all of them are not to the benefit of the consumers. If Paragon expects us to believe that they're not trying to soak us for a quick buck, it would behoove them to back up their talk with numbers.
Who said they expect us to believe that?

They're a business. Their sole purpose is to make a "quick buck." Anyone who doesn't believe that is incredibly naive so I doubt they're really trying to fool anyone.

It is what it is.


 

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Also, a significant portion of the playerbase is getting old and grumpy.
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I've easily got a decade on you in terms of lifetime, and I will match my oldity and grumpiness against any of you whippersnappers!
Old age and treachery (or, if you will, experience) will beat youth and enthusiasm every time.



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All of the joie de vivre had been beaten out of me.
You were lucky. Most have it vivisected...with a dull chainsaw.



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You know... it is rather ironic that this article came out and THEN Paragon Studios pulls the assinine move of charging you for Titan Weapons skins ON top of charging for the powerset....




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You know... it is rather ironic that this article came out and THEN Paragon Studios pulls the assinine move of charging you for Titan Weapons skins ON top of charging for the powerset....
Wait, we have to pay for the weapon skins, too?


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Wait, we have to pay for the weapon skins, too?
Yep.

That uncomfortable feeling in your nether regions? Those are Paragon's naughty bits trying to get where they don't belong.


 

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Wait, we have to pay for the weapon skins, too?
4 out of 10 skins available at launch. Not all.

Granted, they are much better than most of the basic 6. But they will be available basically for free at launch as an early-adopter sale.


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'Scuse me, I just yacked in my mouth.


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During the initial launch of Titan Weapons tomorrow, if you buy the set, you get the additional 4 models for free. This will continue for a time (I've heard 2 weeks, but don't recall having seen any official statement of duration...). After that time period is up, all future purchases of Titan Weapons will only come with the default 6 models.

At some point in the future, they plan to offer the additional 4 models for sale, apart from Titan Weapons. That point in the future is currently TBD.




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My only viewpoint, really, is that if they want us to treat it as a cheap point-sink trading card game...then the cards need to be cheap and trade-able. At least to some extent.
Are you freaking kidding me? Then it literally IS GAMBLING, and is thus exposing Paragon Studios to LEGISLATION which regulates this.

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Anyone who has ever collected trading cards KNOWS that it's a gamble with real money. That's the whole POINT of trading cards, from a manufacturers standpoint. If they're really going to stick to the 80 point cost--then that's only ONE DOLLAR A PACK. And one dollar a pack is WAY cheaper than what the old trading cards I used to buy cost.

So make sure I can trade with friends some way, and add some tracking component to the game so I can see what "cards" I'm missing and still need to track down.
It's not a ccg because you can't trade the stuff. It's more akin to collecting stickers for one of those sticker collection books (which feature super heroes galore, but I don't hear anybody complaining about THAT) or putting a quarter into a temporary tattoo or gumball machine. I must not be the only kid that was told I was allergic to red food coloring. So yes, it was a "gamble" in your apparent definition of the word that there was a chance that buying a gumball with a quarter would be worth it. Because I might end up with a gumball I couldn't chew.

This is not a controversy. And quit treating it like a catastrophe.


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Are you freaking kidding me? Then it literally IS GAMBLING, and is thus exposing Paragon Studios to LEGISLATION which regulates this.
I sincerely doubt that baseball cards are such a gateway vice.


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It's not a ccg because you can't trade the stuff.
On the contrary, you can trade some of the stuff.


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On the contrary, you can trade some of the stuff.
Which ones? pardon my ignorance.


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The ATEs will be tradeable (though the Superior/upgraded versions will not)
That's interesting.
Seems like a new thing that might work. You offer the lesser versions of the store bought stuff to be traded around so that anyone can get them and see what they're like. That seems like it would be a good way to spread the word about them and to advertise the value of the upgraded ones.


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