PC Gamer Review of CoH Freedom: "How free-to-play gaming should be done"
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Posted on: 2011-11-29 09:09 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Uh, you know that the in-game TCG is optional, right?
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
They need to listen and act upon the outrage for their new Super Gambling with real life money system that they are shoving down our throats.
THAT IS NOT HOW F2P should be done, NOT EVEN CLOSE. Listen and act upon that devs...I dare you. |
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What's this now? |
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
They need to listen and act upon the outrage for their new Super Gambling with real life money system that they are shoving down our throats.
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Now I have to make a character called Super Gambling man..
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
They need to listen and act upon the outrage for their new Super Gambling with real life money system that they are shoving down our throats.
THAT IS NOT HOW F2P should be done, NOT EVEN CLOSE. Listen and act upon that devs...I dare you. |
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Just in case there's the slight chance people have missed the 60+ page thread about the Super Pack from Pummit, here's the link before this one gets derailed.
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Originally Posted by 80sBaby
What's this now?
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Yes it is as are most things in the game, which is not the point and does NOTHING to change the gambling with real life money issue that is the problem here.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Uh, you know that the in-game TCG is optional, right?
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
Thanks.
I had no clue what a Super Pack or Pummit actually is so I didn't bother to check the thread.
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Actually, it rather is. You can have a lively and fulfilling game experience without ever purchasing a Super Pack. It is not, therefore, being shoved down your throat.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Yes it is as are most things in the game, which is not the point and does NOTHING to change the gambling with real life money issue that is the problem here.
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Honestly, I understand all the issues folks have with the packs, but the rhetoric is insane, it really is.
De minimis non curat Lex Luthor.
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It does not take much to recognize that the method this is being introduced(ie. no way to "earn" in game and only purchased via real life money)is what the 60 page thread is about.|
Originally Posted by Bosstone
Actually, it rather is. You can have a lively and fulfilling game experience without ever purchasing a Super Pack. It is not, therefore, being shoved down your throat.
Honestly, I understand all the issues folks have with the packs, but the rhetoric is insane, it really is. |
This once again is not about the option to use it or not, its about the paradigm shift with stuff you cannot earn in the game and are only for pay and that for pay is random (ie. gambling).
Random games of chance for real life money is gambling and it is something the COX world DOES NOT "NEED" and looking at the 60 page thread does not WANT either. YMMV of course.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Madness! Every aspect of the game that is disliked by anyone is a LITERAL SLAP IN THE FACE!!!
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Uh, you know that the in-game TCG is optional, right?
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So what you're saying is that, regardless of whether or not it is participated in, it's a moral imperative that needs to be addressed?
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Yes it is as are most things in the game, which is not the point and does NOTHING to change the gambling with real life money issue that is the problem here.
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You both express valid viewpoints, which, incidentally, are also under discussion in the Super Pack thread this-a-way. (I'm trying to stay positive here, I swear.)
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
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My only viewpoint, really, is that if they want us to treat it as a cheap point-sink trading card game...then the cards need to be cheap and trade-able. At least to some extent.
Anyone who has ever collected trading cards KNOWS that it's a gamble with real money. That's the whole POINT of trading cards, from a manufacturers standpoint. If they're really going to stick to the 80 point cost--then that's only ONE DOLLAR A PACK. And one dollar a pack is WAY cheaper than what the old trading cards I used to buy cost.
So make sure I can trade with friends some way, and add some tracking component to the game so I can see what "cards" I'm missing and still need to track down.
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What do you think the new "Collections" window is for?
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Since mind doesn't actually display anything useful, I have no idea. I take it you mean this is a deliberate implementation in anticipation of the new packs?
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Originally Posted by Frostbiter
What do you think the new "Collections" window is for?
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Bingo.
Hopefully by then it will work.
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Mission Architect, then?
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
After you have an entire chunk of the game you play and enjoy cauterized into a smoking stump, I think certain folks are entitled to be bitter.
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I was deliberately vague, so that people could interpret the comment as needed. For Xan, I imagine it is PvP--though I won't put words in his mouth. For me, it's something different.
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Originally Posted by Megajoule
Mission Architect, then?
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Saying $1 is cheap is a pretty meaningless statement. A lottery ticket is also $1, and it's a pretty effective tax on stupidity.
Here's an interesting parallel. That other game also has 'super packs'. They coincidentally cost 80 points (and wow, their points cost the same amount as ours). They have exclusive costume pieces and powers in them. In testing, it was reported that it took one person 75 packs to collect all ten costume pieces. It took another 90 packs. One person went through 250 packs without getting the powerset.
$75. $90. $250.
That's not cheap by any reasonable standard.
I challenged Z to give us the exact odds for the packs, or commit to doing so when the odds were set. As I expected, this was ignored.
Is there any reason to believe that Paragon Super Packs aren't going to screw the customers?
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Because prostitution is illegal in most areas?
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Originally Posted by Brillig
$75. $90. $250.
That's not cheap by any reasonable standard. I challenged Z to give us the exact odds for the packs, or commit to doing so when the odds were set. As I expected, this was ignored. Is there any reason to believe that Paragon Super Packs aren't going to screw the customers? |
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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The two studios are 15 miles apart. Try again.
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Originally Posted by Siolfir
Because prostitution is illegal in most areas?
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So you can see what you've collected and/or bought so far?
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Originally Posted by Frostbiter
What do you think the new "Collections" window is for?
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75 packs to collect a full costume set? Were the costume pieces in said packs also spread out across all rarities? If not, I can see why it took that long and if so, those are some really crappy numbers.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
Saying $1 is cheap is a pretty meaningless statement. A lottery ticket is also $1, and it's a pretty effective tax on stupidity.
Here's an interesting parallel. That other game also has 'super packs'. They coincidentally cost 80 points (and wow, their points cost the same amount as ours). They have exclusive costume pieces and powers in them. In testing, it was reported that it took one person 75 packs to collect all ten costume pieces. It took another 90 packs. One person went through 250 packs without getting the powerset. $75. $90. $250. That's not cheap by any reasonable standard. I challenged Z to give us the exact odds for the packs, or commit to doing so when the odds were set. As I expected, this was ignored. Is there any reason to believe that Paragon Super Packs aren't going to screw the customers? |
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From the screen shots put out so far, there's a total of 205 cards. At 5 cards per pack, it takes a minimum of 41 packs to collect everything. Considering the Devs have stated that you cannot get any repeats over different buys of the pack (that is if you have a certain piece, that piece won't be coming in any other pack you buy), unless consumables get to ignore this rule, I'd say it's pretty much less than any of those scenerios for the other game.|
Originally Posted by Brillig
Saying $1 is cheap is a pretty meaningless statement. A lottery ticket is also $1, and it's a pretty effective tax on stupidity.
Here's an interesting parallel. That other game also has 'super packs'. They coincidentally cost 80 points (and wow, their points cost the same amount as ours). They have exclusive costume pieces and powers in them. In testing, it was reported that it took one person 75 packs to collect all ten costume pieces. It took another 90 packs. One person went through 250 packs without getting the powerset. $75. $90. $250. That's not cheap by any reasonable standard. I challenged Z to give us the exact odds for the packs, or commit to doing so when the odds were set. As I expected, this was ignored. Is there any reason to believe that Paragon Super Packs aren't going to screw the customers? |
Just have to wait what the pricing for these will be.
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They need to listen and act upon the outrage for their new Super Gambling with real life money system that they are shoving down our throats.
THAT IS NOT HOW F2P should be done, NOT EVEN CLOSE. Listen and act upon that devs...I dare you.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.