SSA SPOILERS: He's WHO?!
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Posted on: 2011-11-08 10:34 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Just as you yourself say in the first sentence there. Arachnos doesn't recognize him but the population of Warburg doesn't recognize the recognition of Arachnos, so it's a wash. He's former and/or formal, depends on who you ask.|
Originally Posted by Shadowe
I suspect he's done a Hannibal Smith (Colonel) and retained his rank (Marshall) even though he formally has no right to it, and we have a typo on our hands.
Or, to phrase it as a question, how can the man formally hold the title "Rogue Isles Marshall of Warburg" and simultaneously "used to be Rogue Isles Marshall of Warburg"? |
Of course, during the arc he wasn't behaving very formally in my opinion, and I saw to it that after the arc he was decidedly former.
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I've been waiting for Ms Lib to go rogue for AGES. She's been in everyone else's shadow for so long that she must be seething for a chance to show what SHE can do. |
Originally Posted by DMystic
Honestly if Liberty does go on the warpath, I think it would be one of the best things for the game. It would finally show the world what an irresponsible and reckless person she is.
Overall I think Longbow does more harm than good for ordinary people, and the vents here are that harm coming back at Liberty. If Paragon still considers Warburg to be Arachnos property than the circumstances for the peace talks are even more shaky. If Warburg is part of Arachnos than Blitz wouldn't be the one to speak to for peace talks, it would be Recluse's chosen representative(typically Arbiter Sands). It Warburg is not part of Arachnos, than Blitz's offer of peace while having merit, wouldn't be relevant to the situation with the Rogue Isles. Either Blitz is an Arachnos operative and wouldn't have the authority to make peace talks with Paragon, or he isn't an Arachnos operative and would be able to make peace talks regarding himself and his followers. EDIT: Read Zombie Man's post above with the info on Blitz. It says quite clearly that Blitz is a Rogue Operative, if he is a rogue then he is no longer affiliated with the group. |
"Here, honey, I'm going off to fight the Praetorians. Mind the city like a good girl."
"Here, Ms Lib, I'm going off to strike at the Rikti homeworld. Hang on to my sword, I'll be back for it."
"Of course, sweetheart, you can form your own organization. It'll be part of the larger organization that I oversee along with your grandfather."
And then her mom gets killed? By Arachnos (never mind the Rogue distinction)? Coz one of her grandfather's teammates screwed up?
Of course the girl's gonna snap.
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Given the shady practices of her own private army, I've always sort of seen Lib as kind of a loose cannon. She just comes off as having this facade of heroism, but kind of dirty and arrogant at heart. In that regard, not all that different, actually, from her Praetorian mirror. Of course, a lot of this is based less on her direct action and more on the actions of, like, 90% of the Longbow agents out there. I'm sure Megan doesn't approve at all of their actions. It's just how like Countess Crey has nothing to do with all those rogue mad scientists running loose in her corporate structure.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
I've been waiting for Ms Lib to go rogue for AGES. She's been in everyone else's shadow for so long that she must be seething for a chance to show what SHE can do.
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So your argument is that the Rogue Isles don't get to say who their Marshal is? That people who have actively seceded from the Rogue Isles get to choose who they want the Rogue Isles Marshal to be?|
Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
Just as you yourself say in the first sentence there. Arachnos doesn't recognize him but the population of Warburg doesn't recognize the recognition of Arachnos, so it's a wash. He's former and/or formal, depends on who you ask.
Of course, during the arc he wasn't behaving very formally in my opinion, and I saw to it that after the arc he was decidedly former. |
Diplomacy and rulership do not work that way.
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Legally and politically speaking, Warburg hasn't seceded.
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Originally Posted by Shadowe
So your argument is that the Rogue Isles don't get to say who their Marshal is? That people who have actively seceded from the Rogue Isles get to choose who they want the Rogue Isles Marshal to be?
Diplomacy and rulership do not work that way. |
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Not to mention that Malaise is mad, and reading mad people's minds is generally unhealthy.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Typically, it's considered a serious ethical violation to force one's way into someone's mind and pull out whatever information one wants.
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"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
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"Ms." was an abbreviation for "Miss" that was adopted in the 70s or early 80s with a slightly different pronunciation in order to appease idiots who thought "Miss" was insulting but who were fine with the same word said by a drunk person and written as an abbreviation with a period. They should have at least pushed for it to be written without the period, or to be written as "Mz." short for "Miz". Or, better yet, just accepted that "Miss" need no longer be attached to marital status.
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Originally Posted by Kyriani
Well... technically speaking Doctor and Dr. are the same thing... Miss and Ms. however are not. Miss denotes an unmarried female. Ms. denotes a female whose marital status is unspecified.
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Farewell is like the end
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Actually, Ms. was re-adopted as a way to refer to women whose marital status was unknown eg. in formal letters. (originally "Miss", "Mrs." and "Ms." were simply derivations of the same word, "Mistress")
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
"Ms." was an abbreviation for "Miss" that was adopted in the 70s or early 80s with a slightly different pronunciation in order to appease idiots who thought "Miss" was insulting but who were fine with the same word said by a drunk person and written as an abbreviation with a period. They should have at least pushed for it to be written without the period, or to be written as "Mz." short for "Miz". Or, better yet, just accepted that "Miss" need no longer be attached to marital status.
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"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
Played it heroside this morning for the first and last time. I didn't have a problem with Marshal Blitz only willing to negotiate with Miss Liberty -- I just assumed she had treated him with kindness or respect at some point in the past, and so was the only hero he trusted.
Manticore and I against a roomful of Crab soldiers wouldn't have been a fair fight, so I sent him away and let Blitz bring in more troops.
Arachnoids are more dangerous than they look.
The first two missions were fun, and the third okay until they decided that "Malaise thinks he's a character in a story, he's so KA-RAYZEElol!!11!" would be an acceptable ending. Never playing this adventure again.
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Like I said, to appease idiots who thought "Miss" was insulting (because of its attachment to marital status, as I also mentioned in passing), but were fine with the abbreviation for the same word as said by a drunk person.
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Originally Posted by Arilou
Actually, Ms. was re-adopted as a way to refer to women whose marital status was unknown eg. in formal letters.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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That's basically how I feel about her. I'm willing to give a nod to the possibility that Miss Liberty was killed, not to discredit Manticore and make States snap, but to give Ms Liberty a Heel Face Turn that may very well end with her being the one who dies (because the rest of the Phalanx has to take her down) or in fact the weapon that ends up killing one of the others. If you ask me, she doesn't have that far to turn.
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
Given the shady practices of her own private army, I've always sort of seen Lib as kind of a loose cannon. She just comes off as having this facade of heroism, but kind of dirty and arrogant at heart. In that regard, not all that different, actually, from her Praetorian mirror. Of course, a lot of this is based less on her direct action and more on the actions of, like, 90% of the Longbow agents out there. I'm sure Megan doesn't approve at all of their actions. It's just how like Countess Crey has nothing to do with all those rogue mad scientists running loose in her corporate structure.
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She does strike me as the kind of Hero that's just a Vigilante Morality Mission away from taking a walk on the redder side. And this arc? Well there's her motivation, isn't it?|
Originally Posted by Feycat
That's basically how I feel about her. I'm willing to give a nod to the possibility that Miss Liberty was killed, not to discredit Manticore and make States snap, but to give Ms Liberty a Heel Face Turn that may very well end with her being the one who dies (because the rest of the Phalanx has to take her down) or in fact the weapon that ends up killing one of the others. If you ask me, she doesn't have that far to turn.
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If Statesman doesn't get there first, of course. A good reason for the player villain NOT to do it, is that whoever does might end up with a concave face with a red star spangled fist in it.
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Ms. Liberty may be a loose cannon, but at least she hasn't conquered any alternate dimensions we know of.
Statesman is every bit as likely to go off; he lost a daughter. I think that is right up there on the list of Adult Fears.
He may not have his own private army, but it's not like he needs one.
Of course, this all happened on Manticores' watch. And while Ms. Liberty has her own army of soldiers, Manticore has his own army of assassins.
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Yeah I don't get his complaints either...it's a story; sometimes one side doesn't know what happens (or what has happened) until it's over with.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Yeah, Johnny. Why? Why does this happen? Because the Villains struck first, struck hard, and struck where it hurts. They have the heroes by the yarblocko's and it shows. Consider the SSA title: WHO WILL DIE? A member of the Freedom Phalanx IS GOING TO DIE. How can you NOT expect some serious villainy to be happening? The heroes aren't going to stop it. It's how the SSA ends.
If you ask me, Villains are getting more information not only because they're the ones perpetrating this entire scheme, but because Mr. Behind Closed Doors is going to royally fork the villains over at the last minute. |
Isn't it kind of cliche to have the heroes blundering about not knowing who the "real villain" is behind things in any comic book/story (or at least some)?
I mean, thought that was part of the thing....heroes are reactive; villains are proactive (for the most part)....so villains do something (kill the daughter in this case) and heroes now have to respond.
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Oh and for the hero side of things....a "new" class designation of villains has arrived!
"Marshal"
When you fight Marshal Blitz, he's not a boss, EB or an AV...just "Marshal"
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There are quite a few like this, especially recently. Most of 'em seem about equivalent to bosses (or LTs, if you have the difficulty scaled down).
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
When you fight Marshal Blitz, he's not a boss, EB or an AV...just "Marshal"
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I was genuinely impressed that Malaise was involved. He looked familiar in the previous cutscenes, but when it clicked it was great.
I'm guessing he's had his powers souped up to take on Psyche - she's the next 'victim' after all. Probably by Wade/Rulaaru.
He'll either drive her mad - cue Heroes fighting her and trying to find a way to restore her sanity. Or he'll attempt to override her and then we've got extremely unstable psychic, possibly capable of mindriding (wonder if mindriding would work on States with his 'mind of a god'?) on our hands.
Villains might have to curb the excesses of Psyche's madness.
This is all supposition, but I'm guessing Malaise wants Psyche to read his mind eventually. And this will be revealed in the next episode.
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Maybe you should play it again, if that's what you thought.|
Originally Posted by Sir Neil
The first two missions were fun, and the third okay until they decided that "Malaise thinks he's a character in a story, he's so KA-RAYZEElol!!11!" would be an acceptable ending. Never playing this adventure again.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Like I said, to appease idiots who thought "Miss" was insulting (because of its attachment to marital status, as I also mentioned in passing), but were fine with the abbreviation for the same word as said by a drunk person.
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Originally Posted by Kitsune9tails
Of course, this all happened on Manticores' watch. And while Ms. Liberty has her own army of soldiers, Manticore has his own army of assassins.
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It would have been nice if his generators buffed his res/def up to untenable levels, instead of just making him invincible. That feels genuinely futile, as opposed to cheap, and also lets you run the arc in "Challenge mode" and try and beat him anyway.
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
There are quite a few like this, especially recently. Most of 'em seem about equivalent to bosses (or LTs, if you have the difficulty scaled down).
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He's such an easy fight that I don't think it's terribly necessary to complain about his brief invincibility. This, more than any other, is the fight where the devs are trying their hand at cinema over balance. I think they did an impressive job. The arc isn't necessarily a pushover on default difficulty, but a decent empathy defender isn't going to have a radically worse time than a great scrapper. The fact that the hardest boss phase telegraphs its attacks and is killable without using a single power says something. Do his nukes hurt? They sure look like they would but they've never hit me so I don't actually know.
Additionally, from the devs' perspective, the reason to make him invincible and not simply too strong to beat is that that way it gives players a clue that they're doing the wrong thing. If he simply had 99% resist all, one or two people would try to fight him without even noticing the generators and send angry emails to the devs about how unfair the fight is.
They hit my Inv tank once for about 200 damage. I guess they'd be fairly painful for a squishy.
What would be helpful would be a "Character! He's being powered by those generators! Deal with them!". This arc often just swapped objectives and gave you no reason to look for a change.
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No. Not insulting. A double standard. Why was societal norms going out of its way to identify whether a woman was married or not, but not doing so for a man? (The distinction between Master and Mister having been dropped a generation ago without fanfare.)|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Like I said, to appease idiots who thought "Miss" was insulting (because of its attachment to marital status, as I also mentioned in passing), but were fine with the abbreviation for the same word as said by a drunk person.
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The issue was exacerbated by the related issue of a woman losing her identity with formal titling (e.g., Miss Jane Doe became Mrs. John Smith).
Whether the solution was elegant or not (e.g., they could have dropped 'Miss' and just used 'Mrs.' for everyone) is arguable.
But it *was not* about being somehow feeling insulted for no good reason. It was about being treated unequally.
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But they're terrible, as implied by their current Security Level cap. Unless, of course, Justin's been holding back the good equipment.
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Originally Posted by Kitsune9tails
Of course, this all happened on Manticores' watch. And while Ms. Liberty has her own army of soldiers, Manticore has his own army of assassins.
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Alexis is irrelevant to the 'Who Will Die?' title. They can kill 10 other background characters if they want. One of the 'big name' heroes will die.
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