SSA SPOILERS: He's WHO?!


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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg View Post
But we only saw 'Jean' in cut-scenes that our characters never witnessed. Since our characters never saw him they had no reason to tell us who he was.
Right, but it's also, therefore, pointless to hide it the way they did, except as a "gotcha", that really doesn't work as a "gotcha" anyway because it exploits us not having knowledge that we "should" have.

For what it's worth, the Wade reveal was much better, since we had that "wait, what?" moment in the second arc. There was at least reason to suspect his involvement, and really, in a way, I applaud the Devs for using the fact that nobody has any faith that they know about previous story to sort of hint at him being something more.

But Malaise could've been handled much better. At least toss in some "illusion" factor to the first couple arcs, or the like.


 

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..it seems like the only thing i've ever seen you do in the years ive been on this forum is complain (not that I disagree with what your saying)

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Since our characters never saw him they had no reason to tell us who he was
but they DO see him. He's standing around in the shop you go to hero-side in the second mission. Unfortunately you can't interact with him, but he's there.


 

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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg View Post
But we only saw 'Jean' in cut-scenes that our characters never witnessed. Since our characters never saw him they had no reason to tell us who he was. They could have had a black screen with captions on it instead of the cutscenes if they wanted to, or even no cutscenes at all. I would have prefered cutscenes which actually had something to do with my character, but it is what it is.

Our characters might have recognized him during the negotiation fight, or might not since he was out of costume. Manticore certainly did but he wasn't sure which side he was on until it was too late.
Not true, in the very first SSA (hero side, anyway) there is a message that the explosion of the Obelisk takes your mind away (or something to that effect) to a strange place, which turns out to be a bar in the Rogue Isles. So at least the first SSA cutscene is meant to be viewed in-character.


 

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Not true, in the very first SSA (hero side, anyway) there is a message that the explosion of the Obelisk takes your mind away (or something to that effect) to a strange place, which turns out to be a bar in the Rogue Isles. So at least the first SSA cutscene is meant to be viewed in-character.
No, it mentions what you see in the clue, it's not the bar, hold on a sec, lemme see if Paragonwiki has the clue...

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Mysterious Images
Your tremendous use of Synapse's power caused the obelisk powering you to shatter into bits. When it did, three images appeared in your mind.

One of a temple at the top of a small mountain.

Another of a ghostly looking woman, conversing with a man in armor.

The final shows the two shaking hands, the man in armor's face looking grim, but determined.


 

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No, it mentions what you see in the clue, it's not the bar, hold on a sec, lemme see if Paragonwiki has the clue...

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No, I'm pretty sure when it actually happens there's text that says you're seeing it. Apparently I need to play it through again to find the exact wording, will come back...


 

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Wasn't Miss Liberty Stephan Richter's niece?


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Wasn't Miss Liberty Stephan Richter's niece?
Erph. I think so. Maiden Justice was Recluse's sister.


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As a former villain, as someone who hated Longbow passionately even before the Second Rikti War, I somehow expected the chance to kill, or stand by and watch somebody else kill, the CEO of Longbow to be more satisfying. Maybe it's because I knew that a Rulu-shin cultist was planning on benefiting from it; more likely it's because I was hoping that her death would have something to do with the fact that she runs an above-the-law mercenary company that uses flamethrowers to make arrests.
You are confusing Megan aka Ms Liberty and Alexis aka Miss Liberty (retired).

States/Marcus married Stephan Richter's sister Monica (all three had grown up together). Marcus and Monica had one child (we know of) whom they named Alexis after one of their friends (who happen to be one of the three Furies of antiquity). Alexis inherited Monica's Liberty Belt (given to her by said Furies) and was a heroine in her own right. Eventually she had Megan who was just a young child when Monica died of cancer but was already showing signs of great strength.

Megan grew up, inherited the belt when Alexis retired, and is now head of Longbow as Ms Liberty - Statesman's granddaughter.


 

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You are confusing Megan aka Ms Liberty and Alexis aka Miss Liberty (retired).
I think it's more that he's confusing Longbow with Freedom Corps. Not unreasonable, considering the former is part of the latter. Kind of like how all Loyalists are Praetorian, but not all Praetorians are Loyalists.


 

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Eventually she had Megan who was just a young child when Monica died of cancer but was already showing signs of great strength.
Waaait. Ms. Liberty is in her late 30s?


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Hm, looks like you're right. I guess seeing the "an image of a strange land forces itself into your mind," immediately followed by the cut scene just made me assume that's the image I was getting forced into.


 

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Hm, looks like you're right. I guess seeing the "an image of a strange land forces itself into your mind," immediately followed by the cut scene just made me assume that's the image I was getting forced into.
Don't feel alone. I did too. But then I didn't even know there was a clue to be read. Guess I never looked prior to exiting the mission.


 

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Mysterious Images
Your tremendous use of Synapse's power caused the obelisk powering you to shatter into bits. When it did, three images appeared in your mind.

One of a temple at the top of a small mountain.

Another of a ghostly looking woman, conversing with a man in armor.

The final shows the two shaking hands, the man in armor's face looking grim, but determined.
Sister Airlia and Imperious?


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Sister Airlia and Imperious?
More than likely, given that an agreement between them was mentioned during the second arc.


 

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Sister Airlia and Imperious?
Does sound about right.


 

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Maybe you should play it again, if that's what you thought.
A known lunatic said, "She had to die. It's part of the story!" How else am I supposed to interpret it than the writers having him break the fourth wall because it's "funny" when Deadpool does it? I'd actually like to know, because the first mission really was fun.


 

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A known lunatic said, "She had to die. It's part of the story!" How else am I supposed to interpret it than the writers having him break the fourth wall because it's "funny" when Deadpool does it? I'd actually like to know, because the first mission really was fun.
I don't really think it was a "break the fourth wall" moment as much as a "Malaise thinks of himself as an artist" moment.


 

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I don't really think it was a "break the fourth wall" moment as much as a "Malaise thinks of himself as an artist" moment.
It's not strictly speaking breaking the fourth wall, but there is a term for this kind of... meta stuff. Eg. an actor referring to his actions as part of a play, even though he doesen't LITERALLY mean that. Which wouldn't be strange if it happened IRL but because it happens in a play it's kind of nudging at the fourth wall.

Malaise isn't (in character) breaking the fourth wall, as in referring to the player/his own existence as a character in a computer game. He's referring to "the story" on a diegetic level beneath that, the story of his life and deeds.


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