Grimm vs. Once Upon a Time
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Posted on: 2011-10-29 13:21 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Interesting. Dr. Rush is in Once Upon a Time. Might be my favorite character depending on where they go with his character.
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OUAT ending when the curse is broken? Won't happen. Mr. Gold/Rumpelstilskin has plans. BIG plans. If the writers/producers are smart, they'll throw us a big ol' curve ball like Dollhouse did in Episode 6 of its first season. To that point, it was a formula identity-of-the-week show. Then the hammer dropped, new layers were revealed, and (some) people started paying attention.
My prediction: Once Upon A Time is an onion. Not an apple. 
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Originally Posted by Merry_Mayhem
Why does the curse have to break in only one way? If were writing it, I would have have the curse semi break. They are all still stuck here with all their memories back. Heck, could play it with a few more seasons of them interacting with our world. Next to last season, I would have it that they were popping back and forth between Story Brook Land and here. Last season would be big build up to the curse really ending and they have to choice where they want to go. I expect that real world people would get involved with Story Brook people and could have plots about the evil real world people trying to exploit Story Brook Land. Honestly, good writers can milk this for years and years.
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Originally Posted by Klatteja
OUAT ending when the curse is broken? Won't happen. Mr. Gold/Rumpelstilskin has plans. BIG plans. If the writers/producers are smart, they'll throw us a big ol' curve ball like Dollhouse did in Episode 6 of its first season. To that point, it was a formula identity-of-the-week show. Then the hammer dropped, new layers were revealed, and (some) people started paying attention.
My prediction: Once Upon A Time is an onion. Not an apple. |
I'm still more than willing to give this show a decent chance. Basically all I'm saying is that it's pretty clear -how- this show will fail assuming they don't do an amazing job to avoid that fate.
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Grimm doesn't stand a chance for survival, it's on NBC a station that is notorious for canceling shows mid season and/or never wrapping them up. I won't even waste my time watching shows on NBC anymore.|
Originally Posted by Desi_Nova
I think Grimm has the better chance of Survival IMO, It's more in the vein of Supernatural or early X-Files
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It could be worse. Grimm could be airing on Fox.
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Pish. The guys doing OUAT just came off a series with a logical conclusion built into it, and still managed to drag it out for six seasons.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
The main difference between the two shows is that OUAT already has a logical conclusion built into the story whereas Grimm has set itself up pretty well to be an open-ended episodic series.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
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Any show that has a guy "marking" his territory all over the back fence in the first episode gets at least one season of viewing.
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That was one thing that had me worried about the previews for upcoming episodes of Grimm - the seemingly constant need for the main character to refer to the wolf guy in common dog terms for comedic effect. I can see that getting old quick if they overuse it, and it was noticeably emphasized in the preview.
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Originally Posted by ObiWan
Any show that has a guy "marking" his territory all over the back fence in the first episode gets at least one season of viewing.
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This part of Grimm almost seems like a semi-ripoff of something like Wilfred.|
Originally Posted by Bubbawheat
That was one thing that had me worried about the previews for upcoming episodes of Grimm - the seemingly constant need for the main character to refer to the wolf guy in common dog terms for comedic effect. I can see that getting old quick if they overuse it, and it was noticeably emphasized in the preview.
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It's basically the same idea since the main guy is the only one who can see the wolf-guy as a wolf-guy.
I guess we'll see how it plays out. *shrugs*
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I watched both episodes of Once Upon a Time. Very, very good show. I will catch up with Grimm this weekend. I expect I will like it as well.
Therefore, both shows will be cancelled next month.
I saw episode one of Grimm and I'm watching episode two. I like it, though I think Once is a better show. I just like the storyline and the actors better.
Enjoyed the second episode of Grimm as well. Although it's increasing my feelings of a boring main character with a lot of interesting secondary characters. Love the bobad or however it's spelled. How many people can rip an arm off and make it seem funny? Makes me want to look up the Grimm tales and see which ones they are actually responsible for.
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I am thinking that there is the commercial Grimm Fairy Tales that we all know and the classified Grimm Fairy Tales that contain all the Big Bad Monsters that actually exist in that world. Doing that would not limit the writers of Grimm to the monsters in the books.
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Originally Posted by Bubbawheat
Enjoyed the second episode of Grimm as well. Although it's increasing my feelings of a boring main character with a lot of interesting secondary characters. Love the bobad or however it's spelled. How many people can rip an arm off and make it seem funny? Makes me want to look up the Grimm tales and see which ones they are actually responsible for.
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
I am thinking that there is the commercial Grimm Fairy Tales that we all know and the classified Grimm Fairy Tales that contain all the Big Bad Monsters that actually exist in that world. Doing that would not limit the writers of Grimm to the monsters in the books.
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Although looking through these a bit more, it's interesting that the second episode is inspired by Goldilocks and the Three Bears, which is not actually included in any of Grimm's works.
edit: also while I was searching around I saw that Once Upon a Time has been picked up for a full season, and it's got the best ratings of any new show so far. Grimm's also doing well in ratings so far.
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I've seen Wilfred, this show is nothing like Wilfred. To me Grimm is pretty much the Dylan Dog movie (not comic) in premise, guy born to police the supernatural, except the kookie zombie sidekick is now a kookie werewolf sidekick and they hunt fairytale creatures instead of the undead.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
This part of Grimm almost seems like a semi-ripoff of something like Wilfred.
It's basically the same idea since the main guy is the only one who can see the wolf-guy as a wolf-guy. I guess we'll see how it plays out. *shrugs* |
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I didn't say Grimm as a whole show was an exact clone of Wilfred. I said the PART of Grimm where the main character can see the wolf-guy differently than everyone else is similar to the premise of Wilfred. Grimm could still be considered to have riped-off that key concept without having to be an exact copy of the entire Wilfred show. |
Originally Posted by Innovator
I've seen Wilfred, this show is nothing like Wilfred. To me Grimm is pretty much the Dylan Dog movie (not comic) in premise, guy born to police the supernatural, except the kookie zombie sidekick is now a kookie werewolf sidekick and they hunt fairytale creatures instead of the undead.
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For what it's worth if you want to compare the entire show of Grimm to something then yes, the show itself is easily more similar to Dylan Dog than it is to Wilfred.
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As far as Once Upon a Time goes, any speculation on who some of the other townspeople are? Like the sheriff and the doctor? My theory for the sheriff is that he's the huntsman. He's working for the mayor, but he seems to be good at heart. One theory I saw on the hulu forums that I thought was funny is that the doctor is the big bad wolf. I don't think I agree with that one though.
According to Wikipedia, the Doctor is Doc from the 7 dwarves. The same actor plays both roles, just without the size special effects... that or they threw him on the rack.
Now that we're three shows each deep into each show, I find that the gap between them is slowly widening.
Once Upon A Time has my complete attention. I find myself trying to guess who is who. I am intrigued with all the characters and rooting for good to win out over evil; although I know how foolish that is considering we've barely scratched the surface of the first season. The actors are quickly settling into their characters and making them seem real to me. Normally this sort of thing doesn't happen until the end of the first season, beginning of the second.. but some of these characters are so iconic the cast here actually has an easier job than most.
Grimm still has me a bit conflicted. On the plus side I am absolutely loving the fact that the writers have avoided the cliched "all icky monsters are evil and deserve to die horribly" angle. There are monsters who are, if not completely pure, at least struggling to live in a mostly human world. I would have given up the series already otherwise. Another plus is the Wolf character who is becoming a deep and complex and, quite often, hysterical addition to the story. His sarcastic wit and hesitation to want any involvement in events is a strong motivation for me to keep watching. My biggest problem has been, and remains, my complete lack of interest in the main character. The protagonist of the show is wishy-washy, two dimensional and lackluster, especially when in scenes with his dynamic co-stars. If it were up to me at this point, I would resurrect the Aunt, kill off gloomy-boy and let HER be the star of the show.
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Funny.
The ability to track in the woods seemed like B.B. Wolf, to me.
I love that OUaT is doing back and forth between story book land and Storybrook. I hope they keep that up. I am kind of disappointed that so many good story book characters seem to be working for the Evil Queen like Doc and Jimmie Cricket.
Grimm still in Freak of the Week mode, I hope they start building up this seasons story arc. Honestly, the wolf is the only reason I am still watching it, would not be unhappy if they spun him off into his own show and they killed Grimm.
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I don't think many of these characters are -willingly- working for the Evil Queen. For one reason or another they may have no real choice in the matter.|
Originally Posted by Merry_Mayhem
I love that OUaT is doing back and forth between story book land and Storybrook. I hope they keep that up. I am kind of disappointed that so many good story book characters seem to be working for the Evil Queen like Doc and Jimmie Cricket.
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Remember the world of Storybrook is kind of like the Matrix designed to benefit the Evil Queen so naturally everything (and everyone) in the town is geared towards her will and her control. I think what we'll find is that as the show goes on more and more of the characters will turn against the "Madame Mayor" as her control over her cursed world begins to crumble.
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I have not seen either show but one of my friends said that he likes Grimm quite a bit but doesn't care for OUAT.
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