SSA not working properly.

reiella · 10-20-2011 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius

Well, that I can't really see a problem with. If you don't have the alignment system, you shouldn't be able to get A-Merits. Those that bought the SSA without having it should've known going in. 22 regular merits isn't trivial.

I figured it was a bug my tier 3 premium friend could even claim it.

Ah, my guess is that would have been the bug that was getting fixed by the confirmed status check. Interesting.

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Casual_Player · 10-20-2011 05:56 AM

Really?

The 10-minute alignment merit was nerfed and you're claiming it's theft?

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Kinrad · 10-20-2011 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius

This is what the patch notes said:

Signature Story Arcs

Players must now be confirmed as Heroes or Villains (i.e., their most recent Morality Mission confirmed their alignment) in order to claim Alignment Merits as rewards from Signature Story Arcs.

The problem seems to be, that this reset everyone back to neutral. Can't tell from the wording if that is a bug, an unavoidable result of the change or a wanted addition.

This hasn't been 100% my experience, and hence a big part of my confusion.
I ran the SSA yesterday with 13 different characters, and 10 of them got Alignment Merits.

The 3 that did not were:
A level 20 Scrapper (makes sense given the new confirm alignment patch, since she has never even done a tip)
A level 50 Defender with the alignment power
A level 50 Corruptor with the alignment power

I ran 5 tip missions and an alignment mission with my Defender and got 50 Merits (instead of an alignment merit), then reran the SSA and got an alignment merit.

It really seems all over the map here.

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Desi_Nova · 10-20-2011 06:20 AM

I ran SSA part 2 on my L44 Elec/Elec dom, originally started as apraetorian, originally taken red side out of praetoria now Blue Side, Don't remember doing an alignment after the initial switch to blue, ran it twice (first time doing it) was able to take Hero Merit twice.

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Clouded · 10-20-2011 06:48 AM

Wait.

So I have to run 10 missions now on every character I have if I want them to be able to obtain a Hero or Villain Merit when I run the SSAs?

SpyralPegacyon · 10-20-2011 06:48 AM

Didn't Shubbie quit the last time he blew something all out of proportion? Like, a week or two ago?

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Clouded · 10-20-2011 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon

Didn't Shubbie quit the last time he blew something all out of proportion? Like, a week or two ago?

Who cares.

If I have to run 10 missions per character, then I'm going to be annoyed. I rarely have that time per week let alone per character.

Someone please clarify. I'd like to know before I waste any of my time.

rsclark · 10-20-2011 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Clouded

Wait.

So I have to run 10 missions now on every character I have if I want them to be able to obtain a Hero or Villain Merit when I run the SSAs?

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rsclark · 10-20-2011 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius

22 regular merits isn't trivial.

It is compared to 102.

Ogi · 10-20-2011 07:24 AM

Well that just put interest in both Tip missions (which had been non-existent lately anyways) and SSA on ice.

Well, I'll probably run the new SSAs once on my rogue spider for the story.

Hero merits are nice, the tip system *was* on the verge of being annoying enough not to bother with for them, the SSAs were a nice way to get the one merit wonders on lowbies without having to futz with the market.

Clouded · 10-20-2011 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rsclark

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Sweet.

I hope this bug is a high priority.

SwellGuy · 10-20-2011 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Clouded

Sweet.

I hope this bug is a high priority.

It's not a bug. It's to squash an exploit.

total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

Clouded · 10-20-2011 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy

It's not a bug. It's to squash an exploit.

I have a hard time expressing how deeply annoyed I am at this, exploit or no. I don't typically run Tip missions on my characters but I do run the SSAs. Now I am required to spend all of my ingame time to run these tip missions.

Very frustrating.

Why again are we bashing on Shubbie? Seems like this is a legitimate gripe.

Lazarillo · 10-20-2011 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Clouded

I hope this bug is a high priority.

Unfortunately, I don't think the devs see it as a bug. It's been deliberately set up this way now.
What really bugs (no pun intended) me is that the first arc now awards only the booby prize to people who actually run it in the level range it's meant to be run in. If they're going to nullify the ability to choose this many rewards from the table, then why not just make all SSAs into level 50 missions in the first place?

Shubbie · 10-20-2011 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Casual_Player

Really?

The 10-minute alignment merit was nerfed and you're claiming it's theft?

ITs not the nerf.

ITs the fact that it resets your alignment, even if you have already confirmed alignment.

Its takes away work you have already done, that is theft.

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Shubbie · 10-20-2011 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy

It's not a bug. It's to squash an exploit.

BZZZT Wrong!

We arent talking about the change.

Its reseting your alignment thats a bug or them exploiting us.

Because we did the work, we should be able to claim the reward, the devs are stealing our time and work on this one.

They are wrong if this is intentional and not a bug.

Also cancellation doesnt kick in till the next cycle finishes, so I will be here for a bit longer.

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SwellGuy · 10-20-2011 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Clouded

I have a hard time expressing how deeply annoyed I am at this, exploit or no. I don't typically run Tip missions on my characters but I do run the SSAs. Now I am required to spend all of my ingame time to run these tip missions.

Very frustrating.

Why again are we bashing on Shubbie? Seems like this is a legitimate gripe.

You don't have to run the tips all the time, just the one 11 mission cycle once per character at level 20+ to unlock the ability to get the hero/villain merit.

You can still get reward merits which is the standard reward for characters who have not run the full hero/villain tips cycle or for those who have opted for vigilante/rogue standing.

total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

Shubbie · 10-20-2011 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy

You don't have to run the tips all the time, just the one 11 mission cycle once per character at level 20+ to unlock the ability to get the hero/villain merit.

You can still get reward merits which is the standard reward for characters who have not run the full hero/villain tips cycle or for those who have opted for vigilante/rogue standing.

Thats not the problem, they have a right to change the rules.

What the problem is if you have already done this, you have to do it again before you can claim hero merits.

So what if they took away a level off every character, its the same thing, they can not reset work players have already done.

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Ogi · 10-20-2011 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy

You don't have to run the tips all the time, just the one 11 mission cycle once per character at level 20+ to unlock the ability to get the hero/villain merit.

Again. One 11 mission cycle (2+ days) per character at level 20+ to unlock the ability *AGAIN*.

If you had to unlock all your incarnate slots, again, would you be saying it's just grinding the trials again (assuming you don't just burn your stockpiles for iXP)?

SilverAgeFan · 10-20-2011 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution

It's annoying, but that's hyperbole and a half.

I see what you did there.

Shubbie · 10-20-2011 09:15 AM

Removing allready completed work that players have done is MMo Verboten.

This is a major mmo nono

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William_Valence · 10-20-2011 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Shubbie

Yes but you will have to reconfirm to get alignment merits and when you do run you will get normal merits.

They stripped your confirmed status from you.

You're out 20 million, that's it. If you're planning to run the missions still. If you don't care to keep running the missions, you're not out anything as you can still convert merits.

It's not that big a deal. My guess is, they had to reset everyone because their confirmation marker couldn't tell the difference between a pre-confirmed hero and a confirmed one so it was either set everyone to zero, or make all current characters count as confirmed; even if they were not. By setting everyone to zero, they get their mark that unlocks the merits in the SSA.

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Venture · 10-20-2011 09:24 AM

There is no such thing as "MMO verboten", and one day they will remove all your "completed work" by shutting down the servers.

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Dromio · 10-20-2011 09:25 AM

If this was on purpose it was at least bad communication (adding to all the bad communication we've already had for Freedom). If it wasn't on purpose I sure hope they can change it back.

Clouded · 10-20-2011 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy

You don't have to run the tips all the time, just the one 11 mission cycle once per character at level 20+ to unlock the ability to get the hero/villain merit.

Ya, I know that. I have to run at least 121 missions to get just 11 of my characters back to the way they were PRIOR to this 'fix.' That is, able to earn Hero/Villain Merits from the SSA.

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy

You can still get reward merits which is the standard reward for characters who have not run the full hero/villain tips cycle or for those who have opted for vigilante/rogue standing.

Oh boy. 2 x 4 Merits! Joy!

No. I want to not be inconvenience by the developers and be forced to run 11 missions per character in order to receive a reward that I was able to receive prior to their exploit fix.

I'm not delusional to think I'll get any type of response from a redname, let alone any fix. But I'm going to complain about being inconvenienced yet again.