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SSA not working properly.

Aggelakis

By Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2011-10-19 23:46 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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Originally Posted by William_Valence View Post
My guess is, they had to reset everyone because their confirmation marker couldn't tell the difference between a pre-confirmed hero and a confirmed one so it was either set everyone to zero, or make all current characters count as confirmed; even if they were not. By setting everyone to zero, they get their mark that unlocks the merits in the SSA.
Or set new characters to flag as non-confirmed, existing characters don't change and the run-delete-repeat characters get at most one more shot at 2 easy A-merits.

 

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Originally Posted by Zortel View Post
No longer am I tempted to join a friend on SSA's on newer characters because I don't want to 'waste' that First Time Completion Reward Table on 20 Merits.

No longer do I want to run the first arc in the level range it appears due to getting penalized on my choice of rewards.

No longer do I want to run SSA arcs at all, because I know if I don't do all the leg work of getting to 20, getting tips (which sometimes just do not drop at all for a while) and keeping track on which characters I've affirmed hero status on.

I already don't really run my Rogue and Vigilantes through them due to the lack of reward choice. Now I'm going to run them even less, and team less with friends running them.

I feel sorry for anyone who's wasted 400pp on them. They're nothing that special, and now they're even less so, with an added dollop of hassle.
This.

I've got a character literally sitting on her Morality Mission from last night. She was going to get her second AM and buy an IO I needed, but my friend wanted to go to bed so I put off running it until today.

If I run that mission and end up with 50 RMs instead, that's not okay. That means I now have to pay 20m to turn that into an AM, when only a few hours ago, I didn't. I fail to see how ANYONE can say "Oh, this is no big deal, no problem." 20m may not be much to everyone, but to some people it is, and it's utterly not-ok for us to be reset in this way, to prevent someone exploiting a reward system THEY put in.

I'm not cool with them making you need to be 20+ to get the AMs from the first SSA, for that matter. I loved running that thing with my new level 10s and having a pair of AMs banked for when they hit 25 and I started slotting them up with IOs, as well as getting a chunk of xp. Having to get them to 20, get 10 tips and a MM over 2 days, and THEN be able to get the rewards? When I'm actually now OVER the level of the stupid thing? Why make it a level 20 TF at that point? And why make that popup still show up at level 10 when we've been cheated out of the best reward?

 

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This is the first time I've agreed with Shubbie about anything. How many characters have I already taken to hero in the past? I don't know off the top of my head but it's a lot. At least a dozen. It would be rather poor form if their stance going forward is that this kind of rollback is a good way to solve legitimate problems, but we don't have any proof that it isn't a bug until a dev comments on it.

 

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Originally Posted by Venture View Post
There is no such thing as "MMO verboten", and one day they will remove all your "completed work" by shutting down the servers.
Yes there is, and games have shut down prematurely for pulling garbage like this.

You can not take away a players completed work.

Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.

 

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No kidding, this games been on it's deathbed since the GDN, and ED, and the reduction of Hami enhancement values, and the EM nerfs, and the Botz nerf, and the Meow farm nerf, and the Monkey farm nerf, and the regen nerf, and hami damage that made Phantom army and phase shift pointless, and the purple triangles, and the purple patch, and the Items of power/Original Cathedral of Pain. Man, they've changed so much stuff that players have completed and earned this game should shut down any day now.

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Originally Posted by William_Valence View Post
No kidding, this games been on it's deathbed since the GDN, and ED, and the reduction of Hami enhancement values, and the EM nerfs, and the Botz nerf, and the Meow farm nerf, and the Monkey farm nerf, and the regen nerf, and hami damage that made Phantom army and phase shift pointless, and the purple triangles, and the purple patch, and the Items of power/Original Cathedral of Pain. Man, they've changed so much stuff that players have completed and earned this game should shut down any day now.
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Originally Posted by Clouded View Post
I have a hard time expressing how deeply annoyed I am at this, exploit or no. I don't typically run Tip missions on my characters but I do run the SSAs. Now I am required to spend all of my ingame time to run these tip missions.

Very frustrating.

Why again are we bashing on Shubbie? Seems like this is a legitimate gripe.
The exploit was that you could get an alignment merit from the SSA without ever having done an alignment mission. Now you must have done one and it must be on record.

The bug if there is one is that apparently some people who have done the alignment missions have been set back to neutral and have to run another before the SSA will award them an alignment merit.

I'm not seeing the issue aside from the bug. You always where supposed to have run 11 missions per character before the SSA would award an alignment merit. It definitely made no sense if characters who hadn't run the alignment mission could earn alignment merits.

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Yes there is, and games have shut down prematurely for pulling garbage like this.
Name them.

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You can not take away a players completed work
Yes, you can, if it is necessary for the long-term health of the game.

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Wow, I have never been happier that I don't use AMs. Especially since all my characters are heroes out of the box (except the one MM I brought through Praetoria) and don't have to, you know, prove (or REPROVE) they're heroes.

The devs are drowning us in their complicated, ever-multiplying merit systems.

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Originally Posted by Ogi View Post
Again. One 11 mission cycle (2+ days) per character at level 20+ to unlock the ability *AGAIN*.

If you had to unlock all your incarnate slots, again, would you be saying it's just grinding the trials again (assuming you don't just burn your stockpiles for iXP)?
No hyperbole in this response is there? /em eyeroll

total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

 

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Originally Posted by Clouded View Post
Ya, I know that. I have to run at least 121 missions to get just 11 of my characters back to the way they were PRIOR to this 'fix.' That is, able to earn Hero/Villain Merits from the SSA.




Oh boy. 2 x 4 Merits! Joy!

No. I want to not be inconvenience by the developers and be forced to run 11 missions per character in order to receive a reward that I was able to receive prior to their exploit fix.

I'm not delusional to think I'll get any type of response from a redname, let alone any fix. But I'm going to complain about being inconvenienced yet again.
One of us is wrong about the situation. When that person realizes it if it is me I will return and say so. Will you if it is you?

total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

 

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Originally Posted by TerraDraconis View Post
I'm not seeing the issue aside from the bug. You always where supposed to have run 11 missions per character before the SSA would award an alignment merit. It definitely made no sense if characters who hadn't run the alignment mission could earn alignment merits.
You assume which makes you wrong.

The characters in quesiton are heroes/villains and they have been through the Alignment system to be a hero or villain. Now, I have to redo that process across those characters in order to obtain the same reward I was getting before this fix.

It's a big inconvenience for people with limited play time man.

 

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy View Post
One of us is wrong about the situation. When that person realizes it if it is me I will return and say so. Will you if it is you?
Absolutely. I always man up to being wrong. I really hope I'm wrong here and that I'm not forced to redo the alignment system on the characters that had already completed it previously.

 

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Originally Posted by Clouded View Post
You assume which makes you wrong.

The characters in quesiton are heroes/villains and they have been through the Alignment system to be a hero or villain. Now, I have to redo that process across those characters in order to obtain the same reward I was getting before this fix.

It's a big inconvenience for people with limited play time man.
You're also assuming something. I'll wait and see if you find out what it is.

total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

 

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy View Post
You're also assuming something. I'll wait and see if you find out what it is.
I asked for clarification once ya know. You stated this wasn't a bug.

If you want to be helpful, then be helpful. I grow tired of crypitc games.

 

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Originally Posted by Kinrad View Post
This hasn't been 100% my experience, and hence a big part of my confusion.
I ran the SSA yesterday with 13 different characters, and 10 of them got Alignment Merits.

The 3 that did not were:
A level 20 Scrapper (makes sense given the new confirm alignment patch, since she has never even done a tip)
A level 50 Defender with the alignment power
A level 50 Corruptor with the alignment power

I ran 5 tip missions and an alignment mission with my Defender and got 50 Merits (instead of an alignment merit), then reran the SSA and got an alignment merit.

It really seems all over the map here.
Just to re-post: He had the bug on 3 of 13 characters not all of them. Does it suck for the 3? Yes. Is it all heroes/villains? Obviously not.

total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

 

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Originally Posted by Clouded View Post
I asked for clarification once ya know. You stated this wasn't a bug.

If you want to be helpful, then be helpful. I grow tired of crypitc games.
The answer was posted before you went ballistic a few pages ago. If you want to blow a cork on false assumptions feel free but I don't feel any need to educate you.

total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

 

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy View Post
You're also assuming something. I'll wait and see if you find out what it is.
Oooh, is it that you'll actually answer something and not just deflect the questions by trying to appear witty?

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
Just to re-post: He had the bug on 3 of 13 characters not all of them. Does it suck for the 3? Yes. Is it all heroes/villains? Obviously not.
Can you predict which ones are affected? If not, you have to either chance burning a weekly hero merit or burn two days and be sure to get the SSA merit, per character. And speaking of assumptions, you're assuming it was the three that were bugged and not the ten.

 

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Originally Posted by TerraDraconis View Post
You always where supposed to have run 11 missions per character before the SSA would award an alignment merit. It definitely made no sense if characters who hadn't run the alignment mission could earn alignment merits.
Your character wasn't classified as a hero before running a Morality mission? News to me. All my characters were quite clearly either Heroes or Villains the day i18 hit. And many of them have racked up quite a few Alignment Merits without doing a single tip, by converting regular Merits. That isn't any sort of justification for the change.

 

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Originally Posted by Ogi View Post
Oooh, is it that you'll actually answer something and not just deflect the questions by trying to appear witty?



Can you predict which ones are affected? If not, you have to either chance burning a weekly hero merit or burn two days and be sure to get the SSA merit, per character. And speaking assumptions, you're assuming it was the three that were bugged and not the ten.
You will never know because I am certainly not interested in informing posters like you and the others.

total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

 

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Originally Posted by Venture View Post
Name them.



Yes, you can, if it is necessary for the long-term health of the game.

So if you lost half your levels but it was for the good of the game you would accept it?

Earth and Beyond was doing level drops because of exploits with ammo. I know there was at least one other that did rollbacks, I think it was shadowbane but I cant be sure, I never played it.

Now admittedly that game had alot of problems also.

BUt when you take away a players work, you undermine the confidence of your playerbase.

Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.

 

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy View Post
Just to re-post: He had the bug on 3 of 13 characters not all of them. Does it suck for the 3? Yes. Is it all heroes/villains? Obviously not.
I tested 2 characters and both are bugged.

Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.

 

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Anyone else reminded of the AE fix threads by this one? You know the ones where the devs closed an exploit and all the exploiters came in yelling and screaming about it?

total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

 

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Originally Posted by Lazarillo View Post
Your character wasn't classified as a hero before running a Morality mission? News to me. All my characters were quite clearly either Heroes or Villains the day i18 hit. And many of them have racked up quite a few Alignment Merits without doing a single tip, by converting regular Merits. That isn't any sort of justification for the change.
You can still get A-merits without running tips by using merits and inf. This changes was justified by the fact they decided that unless you're alignment is confirmed, you need to spend inf and merits to get A-merits. If you run a morality mission while unconfirmed, you don't get A-merits. You do get your alignment confirmed, but you don't get the blue/red shiney. People were getting the merits with less effort and time, without needing to use inf and merits, that needed to be changed.

Like I said, it sucks, but dems da breaks.

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#46. If you can't remember, the Claymore is pointed towards you.

#54. Killing for peace is like screwing for virginity.

 

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Let's start by saying I don't care about the change one way or another.

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The exploit was that you could get an alignment merit from the SSA without ever having done an alignment mission.
Picking an option in a reward table, without taking any special steps, an exploit. HA! Stop doing crack, guys. That can be labeled a bug, but not an exploit.