Street Justice - Some info, review, and FAQ

ugh... that post just made me flashback to the issue when when they gutted controller aoes...

I don't care if you like it or not, that wasn't what I took issue with. You have every right to dislike anything you want to dislike, reasonable or not.

What I took issue with was your assertion that anyone playing Street Justice is automatically leeching off players with so-called "better" sets. Which is, as I said, a load of crap.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

Lets see, you can find videos [4 week old] from SJ on youtube .

paragon wiki has listed the powerset info (2 weeks+) if you use the power set names ingame like [Initial Strike] and click ingame at it you will get the popup window with the details.
Same goes for all the other new sets like titan weapons/staff ....

You have access to oh I don't know forum search here, easy to find extra information about the set. Don't get me wrong, I have zero problems if the would add more data to the store
but it is very easy to find this kind of info yourself. Don't complain just because you jump into the pool without checking if there is water in it aka control your impulse buying.

Not to mention that even mids got the same release date a update with street justice......

OKie I will ask two and only two questions.

Do you think people playing weak sets leech off people playing strong sets in a team?

Do you think some sets are strong and some are weak?

Thats it.

Let's play a logic game... First question NO (we'll call that False) A leach is someone that stands at the door and /em dance. Anybody using their powers to help the team is not a leach.
Second question YES (we'll call that True) - there are obviously some sets stronger than others.

So False AND True = False so your argument is fail

No. If they are using their powers and contributing to the success of the team, they are not leeching. More importantly, are they fun to have on the team? Is the team made more enjoyable by their presence? If the answer to those questions is yes, then I would prefer that person over someone like you any day of the week. I play the game to have fun, and the way you keep saying it should be played does not sound fun in the slightest.

The way you keep talking, it sounds like you consider anyone who plays in any way other than how YOU want them to is a leecher. Elitism makes the game less fun for it's victims, you would do well to remember that. Could you please provide me with your global name so I can put you on ignore before I ever have to end up on a team with you?

Or I can invite you to my GM hunting team and call you a leecher because all you have is AoE attacks that deal crap damage to a single target, does that sound like fun? Thought not.

You can go ahead and insist that your way is the only right way all you want, I'll go play with the clueless people who pick their powersets because they sound fun instead of how efficiently they farm. And I won't be the one getting all bent out of shape and not having any fun because someone plays in a way I don't like.

It's a video game, stop taking it so damn seriously.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

No they're not leeching. They may not be contributing as much as other members of the team, but not leeching, though slotting for knockback could be hurting/slowing down the team.

Not even then... there are strategies that involve kb that keep a player safe(r) so they're not using up other team resources like the heal-bot. Nothing inherently wrong with slotting kb enh.

You've posited a binary choice in a game that is ruled by continuums. Are some sets weaker than others? Is a set being weaker than another set a weak set? Or to put it another way, if one set is 'strong' does that make other sets that do not match it weak? Clearly the answer is no.

And no, if someone is playing a set that is not as strong as some other player, they are not leeching.

Hell no. Are you pressing buttons and firing off actions/attacks? Then you're not leeching.
Some sets are stronger at some things than others. That has nothing to do with leeching.
Are they using those powers? If so, they are not leeching.
Your entire argument seems to be that weak sets leech off strong sets. That's ridiculous. If that was the case, then taken to its logical conclusion, everyone on the team is leeching off the strongest member. That's obviously not true, because every active team member is contributing to the team's success.

You have a really strange, skewed and wrong view of how teams work. From your own words, you sound like a terrible person to have on a team.

Lol I do all of those if a concept requires it. My SS brute has flurry instead of gloom. He is a boxer, he punches things. Are you suggesting he is a leech even though he kills things and soaks up aggro for the team?

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We have a winner ladies and gentlemen!

That is the entire point of ANY powerset, to be fun to play. If everyone found the same thing fun, there would only be one powerset. Thankfully, that isn't the case, and we have a wide variety of powersets, ATs, and playstyles to choose from.

And for the record, a team succeeds or fails AS A TEAM. A team is not a couple people doing everything with 6 leeching off them. As long as everyone is doing something, they are contributing. Hell, if someone can make me laugh while I'm playing they are welcome on my team anytime, regardless of what else they may be doing. Fun trumps efficiency every time. I'll take the slow moving inefficient team that is fun over the fast moving one that I'm expected to deal X amount of AoE damage every second or I'm considered a leecher any day.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

Feels, looks, and sounds powerful. Heck yes, it is powerful. I absolutely love it. I'm using it on my Stalker (SJ/DM) who will be replacing my namesake toon in the near future after I brough him up to 50 plus. Then good bye to a toon with DM/SR!

As long as they're actively participating, contribution is contribution, no matter how minor or "weak", thereby...not leeching. (Which for the record, having the main aggro sponge on follow and "rocking the aura" does NOT count for this!)

As they say..."Not all things are created equal." From a pure numerical standpoint, yes. There are variances in strength level. And frankly...this is how it SHOULD be. I'd expect someone like the Hulk or Superman to knock a guy clean through a concrete wall. Deadpool, or Batman...not so much.

I actually took that power once...back when i had no clue what i was doing. Crappy power choices, horrid slotting, 3 travel powers...terrible, TERRIBLE toon. But I still did what I could on teams to the best of my toon's ability. Never once did I sit back and let everyone else do the work for me. Therefor...I wasn't leeching.

Just to humor you...

Leeching by ignorance. I usually place the "put tank on follow, put heal aura on auto, sit back and eat a pizza" nimrods in this category. Which ALSO pretty much falls under the "one dipsh!t on the team that's not doing crap" label. Now, there MIGHT be times where this happens for legit reasons, like someone dual-boxing, or having to go AFK for a few minutes. OK...Fine. I can deal with that. I'm more referring to the idjits that do this FULL TIME!

Leeching by inherently weak. Um...as long as the guy (or girl, as the case may be) is actively DOING something...they're NOT LEECHING! It was said best up thread that leeching is standing at the door and /em dance 'ing. Or in other words...NOT DOING CRAP! As long as you're moving around and attacking/buffing/debuffing and generally trying to be useful, you're not leeching. I don't care if person A hits someone for 100 points of damage, and person B hits someone for 1000 points of damage. Person A is still doing SOMETHING other than just sitting there with their thumb up their rear end and admiring all the pretty colors on the screen.

As an alternate look...when someone is sidekicking a lowbie toon (let's say below DO levels for the sake of this) with a high level toon (SO levels and beyond), and the lowbie is at least TRYING to do something, even though he may often miss his targets, do low damage when he does hit, or have somewhat less effective debuffs, or his heals may not be spectacular, or whatever else you can think of, but is generally putting himself at risk and in harm's way...mean that the lowbie is leeching? OR...him sitting at the door while everyone else on the team runs on ahead and clears EVERYTHING in the mission while he sits back and collects free xp for absolutely NO EFFORT? I ask this because I am in the former of the two. If i happen to be on a low toon, and for some reason get on a team of higher level players, I'll do whatever I can to help out...even if its not much. I REFUSE to just sit there and do nothing. Even if the team is composed of friends of mine that wouldn't have a problem with me hanging back...I'm STILL right there in the thick of it. Why? Cuz i refuse to be a leech.

Apparently...your definition of "leeching" is dramatically different than what most people accept.

Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe ::looks at RaikenX's signature:: Something funny.

Potential correction, you'll get approximately 6 "paid" sets a year free and however many they give out completely free. If for some reason they put out a slew of 1200 point sets or they do more than six 800 point sets for multiple years in a row, then you might miss a few.

Still, look at what has to happen before something gets skipped hehe.