Street Justice - Some info, review, and FAQ
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Posted on: 2011-10-04 13:41 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Thanks BrandX... for validating my purchase!
The feel of the set is why I like it. I'm just happy it isn't... crappy. I know it sounds weird, but when I find I typically LOVE a set, it sucks. lol
Seriously, I loved dual pistols, heard nothing but complaints, and went to incarnate with it.
Loved Gravity Controller... ok, nuff said.
Love this.
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Originally Posted by _Elektro_
Thanks BrandX... for validating my purchase!
The feel of the set is why I like it. I'm just happy it isn't... crappy. I know it sounds weird, but when I find I typically LOVE a set, it sucks. lol Seriously, I loved dual pistols, heard nothing but complaints, and went to incarnate with it. Loved Gravity Controller... ok, nuff said. Love this. |
I still havent bought Beam Rifle because I feel the animations are just boring. Now I'm basing that off animations...if it's the min/maxer's dream, Im sure they care less about the animations, but from what I hear it's an awesome set.
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Originally Posted by _Elektro_
As I hit a meager level 19, I'd have to say this set won't last longest with the min max types. It will last with concept players, and people who love the feel of a very batman-esque, bone-snapping, power set.
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At first report, it seems Street Justice has exceptional DPS potential when used by a scrapper. That might make it popular among the insanely built AV soloing scrapper crowd.
I'm enjoying it for the feel as well, but I also see the potential for some pretty respectable single target DPS out of it.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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This is true. You can find this information at ParagonWiki.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Fenix
I have heard, but am not certain, that the Assassin Strike power for Stalkers gives 2 combo levels instead of 1, for faster building-up to a finisher for them. The also get a standard Build Up instead of Combat Readiness, I believe.
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At level 8 I was able to take out an LT and two even-con minions with three attacks: Assassin's Strike, Heavy Blow and Sweeping Cross (got two crits to take the minions out with Sweeping Cross).
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Basically everything is inferior to Super Strength, though. It's not a very relevant metric.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Edit, Ultimus just put a post on this, pretty much confirming what I was feeling, its inferior to SS for brutes and I would assume tanks.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I like it.
I'm not overly concerned about it having massive AoE. (what is with the obsession with everything having massive AoE anyway? Does everything have to be a farming set?) I haven't gotten to Spinning Strike yet, but Sweeping Cross feels very similar to Shadow Maul as far as hitting multiple targets goes. And it's faster than Shadow Maul is. Seems to me like the people complaining are bent out of shape that the set isn't better than everything else in the game. It's actually pretty well balanced from what I've seen so far. Balanced is good, if it were too good you'd have people pissed because they have to pay money for the best set, if it were too bad you'd have people pissed and wanting their money back (good luck with that, do your research first next time). So far, I like it. It very much has a natural feel to it, or at least an "untrained street fighter" quality. I suspect it will be an effective AV soloing set as well, but that remains to be seen. |
It doesnt have to be awesome aoe, but it has to be better than this pathetic excuse for aoe.
About the refund, Im going to start a post on this on the general forums, it wont work, but Im sure they dont want to be embarrased by having refund posts popping up all over, so they might either refund or buff the set, its better than having new players, customers scared off.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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Its inferior in both single target and aoe.|
Originally Posted by Kjell_NA
Basically everything is inferior to Super Strength, though. It's not a very relevant metric.
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Its a weak set... sorry, no set should be wholy inferior to another set.
Not one thats paid for.
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Okay, this has been annoying me. Take Super Strength, for example. If you'd been playing for just one year and paying each month, you will have spent $180 ($15x12) to unlock Super Strength. Stop saying that you didn't have to pay for old sets, because you had to pay for them CONSTANTLY.
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Jessie Inferno: 50 Fire/SD scrapper
a wizard: 50 Rad/Sonic defender
The Nemesis Plothole: 50 StJ/Reg scrapper
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That is wrong, you pay for access to game, you paid 40$ for all the original sets, good and bad.|
Originally Posted by Shortspark
Okay, this has been annoying me. Take Super Strength, for example. If you'd been playing for just one year and paying each month, you will have spent $180 ($15x12) to unlock Super Strength. Stop saying that you didn't have to pay for old sets, because you had to pay for them CONSTANTLY.
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Now you are paying 10 for one and only one set.
And its not worth the money.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
That's because SS is, quite frankly, busted, and has been for a long time. It's just busted in so many different contradictory ways that it's not really feasible to fix at this point. If comparing to super strength is your metric, then you're doomed to disappointment no matter what. Saying something is inferior to SS is like saying the sky is blue - sure, and your point is? If there's one set that should definitely *not* be held up as a balance metric, it's SS.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
About the refund, Im going to start a post on this on the general forums, it wont work, but Im sure they dont want to be embarrased by having refund posts popping up all over, so they might either refund or buff the set, its better than having new players, customers scared off.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Not one thats paid for.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
And its not worth the money.
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Does it have the leet n4mb3rz...?
no
But the set is fine in my book. It plays differently, it looks cool,
Totally worth the money, a far as I'm concerned. (YMMV and all that.)
Buyer's remorse? Shouldn't have run after the new shiny until you saw under the hood.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
If I had to guess there will be someone trying to "embarrass" them with threats of refund posts in relation to just about everything they ever sell in Paragon Market from now on. Just don't get your hopes up too much over this. Caveat Emptor after all.
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Im EXTREMELY happy with beam rifle, as happy with beam rifle as Im unhappy with StJ. And Ive said that as many times.
But humans being humans complain more about what they dont like, than praise what they do.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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Yes but i can make it somewhat uncomfortable for them for putting out junk and charging a premium even if Im stuck with it.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
Does it have the leet n4mb3rz...?
no But the set is fine in my book. It plays differently, it looks cool, Totally worth the money, a far as I'm concerned. (YMMV and all that.) Buyer's remorse? Shouldn't have run after the new shiny until you saw under the hood. |
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
I look forward to seeing any dev response to a demand for a refund based on "not enough AOE."
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Dont expect any.|
Originally Posted by Emberly
I look forward to seeing any dev response to a demand for a refund based on "not enough AOE."
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But as I said if I warn even a few people away from buying this set, im satisfied.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
Refund? SJ is out now?
Quixotik
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I intend to get it as soon as I get my next monthly allotment of PP.
After 7 years I've learned that a smart player can make any combo work and I have a concept that would be perfect for StJ.
I've got at least 5 toons that are exceptional farmers and don't need another.
I know a lot of people don't like the AOE in SJ -- there were complaints during beta too -- but I don't think AOE in SJ is bad. It's not the best AOE set in the game, but it has other advantages to offset that. It works different mechanically but I have no doubt someone will find a way to use those mechanics to their advantage and eventually someone will post DEVS PLZ NERF SJ AOE in the forums because of it.
SJ has a lot of advantages -- besides looking flat-out awesome, it's a fast-recharging set that's easy to chain and the special attacks are much easier to set up than DB. It also has some disadvantages -- it's a s/l set, the AOE mechanics are different and unproven, and because it's so fast your end bar will drop quickly. Overall I think it balances out so far, but we'll find out for real in a month or two.
Scrapper Jack (SJ/WP Brute), Sky Commando (WP/SJ Tanker), Curveball (Rad/DP Defender), and a bunch more.
I've been looking but haven't noticed anyone saying. How does it actually play on a Stalker? I bought the set and played it on a Brute to 17, but I am debating remaking him a stalker simply because the 'feel' of the set screams stalker to me. So how goes it?
Power info says Scrapper Crits are not effected by Combo level. Does Brute Fury level effect Combo damage boost?
Quixotik
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Why, though? It's a good set. It just doesn't happen to meet your unreasonable expectations. I mean, seriously. Your argument seems to be based on "don't buy StJ because it is not as good as SS." That's... not very compelling.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Dont expect any.
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No I say dont buy it, if you want to have any reasonable aoe.|
Originally Posted by Emberly
Why, though? It's a good set. It just doesn't happen to meet your unreasonable expectations. I mean, seriously. Your argument seems to be based on "don't buy StJ because it is not as good as SS." That's... not very compelling.
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Its a very weak aoe and doesnt offer enough otherwise.
UNless you want to have someone powerlevel you or you will team all the time and leech off other people's aoe, you are going to have a very very long trip to 50 once you hit the 30's when you start needing a thousand or so mobs for each level.
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So this to me needs to be thought about at a higher level. I think we all will agree that StJ cant match SS's single target or AOE DPS for a brute or a tanker.
So do non free sets mean that they must be balanced around the best set in thier AT in order to meet the expectations of the buying public?
I think all sets need to be balanced around the best, and if the dev team thinks the best is too good, then they need to fix that.
Lets look at beam rifle, the only other pay set. It definetly is not the best AOE set, but it is close to fire in single target DPS. Beam has a crashless nuke that hits pretty darn hard, and other side effects that help it be competitve to fire.
Personally I do think SS needs to be nerfed some. It can't be king of single target and AOE DPS. I would drop its single target DPS to less than StJ, and footstomp needs to be dropped to a 8' AOE. Fire melee should be king of AOE.
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After looking at fire blast a bit more, blaze is just so out of whack that it also needs to be nerfed. Its animation time versus the damage it does make every other blast set look like crap. Beam even with disintigration going cant get close to fire blasts high DPA of blaze.
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Street Justice seems like the cool big brother to Martial Arts feel of yesteryear. This doesn't seem fair, but I understand the underlying drive to sell something new, rather than bring something old up to date.
Street Justice makes me think Martial Arts could be REALLY cool if they added Dual Pistol style animations to it, and some other minor tweaks.
I feel a bit ripped off by the new set because I am a VIP player so.... I kept asking myself, why am I paying for this? I felt a little taken advantage of by paying my monthly fee, twice this month already just to enjoy content I apparently subscribe to.
I blame myself though. I got caught up in what I call 'Sewer Justice' and had to have one. The problem is when you've played nearly everything that interests you in this game, and have explored most of the content, it's easy to get sucked in.
That being said, I actually really enjoy the set. The sounds, and moves are what make it though. There very well may be MUCH more.... potent melee sets out there, but this is a very bone crushing, visceral, and violent looking set (no pom poms here, k, thnx)
As I hit a meager level 19, I'd have to say this set won't last longest with the min max types. It will last with concept players, and people who love the feel of a very batman-esque, bone-snapping, power set.
That's the real catch though. They're giving you free points to buy the stuff you normally would of gotten for free, then enticing you with all these other things, so when that normally free item pops up, you still have to lay down cash or wait for it.
Just saying.
As for StJ, worth the purchase, which is basically me making sure I had 800 points at all times, while spending cash to get points and buying things up slowly.
As for min/maxers, not if they're going for OMG THE AOE. And when paired with Shields for Scrappers, I would think that's some decent AOE.
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