You hit me! Picard never hit me!
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Posted on: 2011-10-03 22:32 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Originally Posted by ketch
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Of the Star Trek shows, it's the one that felt most compelling to me. I really enjoyed a lot (but not all) TNG's characters, but DS9 was gritty for the TNG-era ST universe. TNG episodes typically had a fairly shiny ending, whereas DS9 endings very typically felt like the characters had, at best, chosen the lesser evil. It always felt to me like the Miami Vice of TNG-era Trek.|
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Deep Space Nine? Isn't that kinda the red-headed step-child of Star Trek shows?
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Voyager wasn't all happy and shiny, but I often felt like it was smothering me in political correctness, and not just because of the diversity of the cast. Janeway drove the series with a moral uprightness worthy of an old-school D&D Paladin, and while some of her crew chafed under that, the Paladin-esque approach usually won in the end (as befits it being the will of the captain). Somehow, that cast a pall on the show for me that made me dislike it more than its other flaws.
And DS9 was totally a ripoff of Babylon 5's concept. I realized it right away when I first saw the series. I feel it was to DS9's credit, though, that despite the conceptual similarities, the characters and feel were different. Both shows were gritty, but they were gritty for different reasons, and outside some basic job descriptions, I don't feel there was a very clear mapping of characters from one show to the other. Odo and Garibaldi for example, had very little in common other than both being security chiefs.
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I thought that, at least in the TNG era, Ferengi were supposed to be about on par with the Federation technology-wise. But the big difference was that the Federation mostly made and developed their own stuff, while the Ferengi mostly bought their way into theirs.
There exists in other forms of media a semi-official timeline running through up to 30 years past Nemesis. I say semi-official because it was something that had to be approved by CBS, but obviously any new TV show or movie could ignore all of that and do their own thing.
In it, the Ferengi are described as pretty much neutral during the conflict taking place, dealing with both sides and making loads of money in the process. Were this line of events used in the background of a new show, one could see the advantage to stepping back and letting two major powers duke it out while making a profit all the while. It might leave them in a position to take advantage of the weakened factions, or at least become a real threat to them.
Which kind of sounds like something a Ferengi would do.
Perspnally I'd like to see more of the Breen. Seems to me they have been said to be a power, they've a bit of history, yet they are still mysterious enough so that you could take them anywhere you wanted storyline wise...
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I'd like to see more of the Breen too, but I think they'd be hard to pull off as primary antagonists. They speak in that electronic tone language, it would be like a Star Wars movie where the main villains were a group of evil astromech droids.
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Originally Posted by Caemgen
Perspnally I'd like to see more of the Breen. Seems to me they have been said to be a power, they've a bit of history, yet they are still mysterious enough so that you could take them anywhere you wanted storyline wise...
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Goodbye, I guess.
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Season 6, episode 6: Sacrifice of Angels.|
Originally Posted by Shatterghost
Didn't know this bit, but then again the only Dominion War episodes I ever caught were the big space battle episodes, not the storyline episodes.
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Know the title by heart - that episode was a fantastic use of CGI by a TV show.
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One of my favorites still remains "In the Pale Moonlight", because of this scene.
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Also, it's just a fantastic episode.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
One of my favorites still remains "In the Pale Moonlight", because of this scene.
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Hell yeah. In the Pale Moonlight is easily my favorite episode of Star Trek ever.
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Originally Posted by Oliin
Also, it's just a fantastic episode.
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Did they make sure to Dance with the Devil?
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Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
Hell yeah. In the Pale Moonlight is easily my favorite episode of Star Trek ever.
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It has Garak, so yes.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Did they make sure to Dance with the Devil?
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To an extent that's always kind of struck me as kind of the point of the title. Since the whole episode's about working with Garak to get the Romulans to join the war. Allowing bad people to do bad things to other bad people to hopefully bring about the end of even worse people.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Did they make sure to Dance with the Devil?
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Also, I know, way to ruin a joke. I've just always thought it a fairly apt title for an episode.
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While I liked most ST shows.....the Enterprise's final episode pissed me off....I took offense to it being a "holodeck" session for Riker....to me it was like a big middle finger to all the fans of ST.....what they couldnt have fleshed that show out a bit more? They couldnt have made it fit seemlessly into the original series??? WTF!
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I liked DS9 a lot, and I also liked Babylon 5. Voyager, on the other hand, was the ST show that taught me that I didn't actually have to watch every ST show. I hear they added a total fanservice Borg chick a season or two after I gave up on it, which I guess gave it another couple years of life (I wrote it off as dead after that sell-out).
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Of the Star Trek shows, it's the one that felt most compelling to me. I really enjoyed a lot (but not all) TNG's characters, but DS9 was gritty for the TNG-era ST universe. TNG episodes typically had a fairly shiny ending, whereas DS9 endings very typically felt like the characters had, at best, chosen the lesser evil. It always felt to me like the Miami Vice of TNG-era Trek.
Voyager wasn't all happy and shiny, but I often felt like it was smothering me in political correctness, and not just because of the diversity of the cast. Janeway drove the series with a moral uprightness worthy of an old-school D&D Paladin, and while some of her crew chafed under that, the Paladin-esque approach usually won in the end (as befits it being the will of the captain). Somehow, that cast a pall on the show for me that made me dislike it more than its other flaws. ... |
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I'm guessing you probably never saw the famous last episode of the Newhart show. The last Enterprise epsiode was a worthy Star Trek equivalent to that clever scenario of one show being a mere "dream" of a character from an eariler show. As such I thought it was pretty well done all things considered. I didn't think it did anything to "take away" from or diminish the value of either series. *shrugs*
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Originally Posted by Sevenpenny
While I liked most ST shows.....the Enterprise's final episode pissed me off....I took offense to it being a "holodeck" session for Riker....to me it was like a big middle finger to all the fans of ST.....what they couldnt have fleshed that show out a bit more? They couldnt have made it fit seemlessly into the original series??? WTF!
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Not sure I would call DS9 the best Trek series but I'd agree that Garak is easily one of the best characters from any Trek series.
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Originally Posted by JayboH
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I definitely see your point. For me, though, it was kind of what the doctor ordered. My main gripe with Enterprise before going in was that here's this entire generation of continuity that we're supposed to accept as canon when there was never any prior mention to a Johnathan Archer or an NX Enterprise. That finale kind of cinched it for me and was an official nod by the franchise that Enterprise was as much part of the story as any of the other series.
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Originally Posted by Sevenpenny
While I liked most ST shows.....the Enterprise's final episode pissed me off....I took offense to it being a "holodeck" session for Riker....to me it was like a big middle finger to all the fans of ST.....what they couldnt have fleshed that show out a bit more? They couldnt have made it fit seemlessly into the original series??? WTF!
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