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So, why do VIP players have to purchase this? Granted I know we can purchase it with our free points, but I think this model is awful. If a power doesn't come with an expansion (like KM with GR), then VIP players should have access to it without all this Paragon Market song and dance.
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So, why do VIP players have to purchase this? Granted I know we can purchase it with our free points, but I think this model is awful. If a power doesn't come with an expansion (like KM with GR), then VIP players should have access to it without all this Paragon Market song and dance.
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That's what your 400 point stipend is for. To buy for free as much stuff that used to be in Boosters. Plus, you will still get 3 free Issues a year, which will have free powersets (at least one that the Devs mentioned). However, the Devs are cranking out even more stuff than your 400 points can buy. So, either wait for sales, or prioritize, or do without, or pay up. But remember, before paying for anything, as a VIP you are already getting more for your sub money than you did before.
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The whole reason we have to pay for this via the Paragon Market is BECAUSE it's not part of a paid expansion. In effect we've had to pay extra for just about every new powerset we've ever gotten. In the past the only way we usually got new powersets were as parts of paid expansions. Because this powerset is being offered on its own it needs to be paid for on its own. There's really no mystery to it. *shrugs*
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Now, it looks like non-Premium, non-Expansion sets will be few and far between. So far, Time Manipulation has been gratis, and Beam and SJ we have to pay for. Of the upcoming sets I'm aware of, both will be Premium: Titan Weapons and Staff.
I'm not a fan of for-pay sets, but I'm no fool and I realize it makes more financial sense for NCSoft to do this. I would be better at waiting for my free points to stack up if they didn't keep throwing new costumes and sets at us.
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The whole reason we have to pay for this via the Paragon Market is BECAUSE it's not part of a paid expansion. In effect we've had to pay extra for just about every new powerset we've ever gotten. In the past the only way we usually got new powersets were as parts of paid expansions. Because this powerset is being offered on its own it needs to be paid for on its own. There's really no mystery to it. *shrugs*
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I feel that a paid player should get the whole game for the cost of their subscription (like we used to, accept paid expansions), and don't give me this crap about my 400 "free" points a month. You know what I'm talking about, and being purposely obtuse isn't cute or clever.
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but I'm not made out of money! they're giving us too much, too soon!
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I got Archery and Sonic for the cost of my subscription back in Issue 5, which was a free issue and not a paid expansion. Paying extra for power sets on top of a subscription is indeed new territory. Awful new territory.
I feel that a paid player should get the whole game for the cost of their subscription (like we used to, accept paid expansions), and don't give me this crap about my 400 "free" points a month. You know what I'm talking about, and being purposely obtuse isn't cute or clever. |
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But we got plenty of powersets for "free": Archery, Trick Arrow, Shields, Willpower, Sonics, etc. I'm not even counting proliferation.
Now, it looks like non-Premium, non-Expansion sets will be few and far between. So far, Time Manipulation has been gratis, and Beam and SJ we have to pay for. Of the upcoming sets I'm aware of, both will be Premium: Titan Weapons and Staff. I'm not a fan of for-pay sets, but I'm no fool and I realize it makes more financial sense for NCSoft to do this. I would be better at waiting for my free points to stack up if they didn't keep throwing new costumes and sets at us. ![]() |
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I got Archery and Sonic for the cost of my subscription back in Issue 5, which was a free issue and not a paid expansion. Paying extra for power sets on top of a subscription is indeed new territory. Awful new territory.
I feel that a paid player should get the whole game for the cost of their subscription (like we used to, accept paid expansions), and don't give me this crap about my 400 "free" points a month. You know what I'm talking about, and being purposely obtuse isn't cute or clever. |
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Paid for Powersets isn't new, folks. CoH, CoV, Rogue, ring a bell? Stop whining!
Anyone who whines about this is feeding us lies whilst pushing The Truth behind them with one of their feet and thinking we're going to fall for this drama?
No, sir. Time-out for those of you whining. Seriously. Check the drama baggage at the door.
EDIT: On a positive note, was WONDERFUL getting re-acquainted with my StJ / Energy Broot from beta again. I missed his 6-million dollar butt, SO GLAD to have him back. Props, Devs (which is rare coming from me, I know, but still).
And Zwill? I couldn't sleep due to your corny Zero Wing reference which was nearly plain as day. Awesome. That doesn't happen to me much anymore, a tally-mark for the cube wall, perhaps.
So let the countdown to Titan Melee begin...
Me, I'll be woopin on baddies with an overgrown cybernetic battle-bot, cheers!
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So, why do VIP players have to purchase this? Granted I know we can purchase it with our free points, but I think this model is awful. If a power doesn't come with an expansion (like KM with GR), then VIP players should have access to it without all this Paragon Market song and dance.
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A discount. 50% Off. Both sides win a little.
Quite. I won't have enough points to buy this with my free points until the end of November. Not that I care much, as I think I'm the only player out there who wasn't foaming at the mouth for Street Justice. I just think it's a crappy business model.
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Right now, we've seen a lot more new powersets in a short time than we have seen for quite some time. The past release schedule has definitely not included to giving us multiple new powersets every issue. If the devs continue to pump out interesting powersets faster than we can save up points for them, then I think that's a net win. It's a bit more complicated than this, since they may also be producing new costumes and what-not that are also for sale. But if the total supply of stuff I produce continues to arrive at a pace and quality that makes me want to buy it rather than wait for it, I think their model is a success for me and for them.
If, however they lower the pace of releases*, or they start pumping out lackluster sets, I'm going to move into your camp. In the very short term, I see the "for purchase" items as getting quality for the money. It will be possible, however, for them to change my mind so that I feel more like it's just a money grab, instead.
* If they lower it to the point that I can just afford things with my monthly stipend of points then it's no longer a money grab, but it would somewhat devalue having moved to a microtransaction model. The model would make sense for Premium accounts, but VIP ones would pretty much be what they always were before.
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It's not "new territory" at all. For the handful of powersets we got "for free" there have been plenty of others tied to paid expansions. This just happens to be one of the ones we have to pay extra for. Stop being so dramatic about this.
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When you factor in what was given with CoV and Going Rogue, there was quite a bit more bang for your buck.
I remember when Dual Blades was considered a huge coding achievement with being able to hold 2 weapons and that was included with our subscription.
I have no problem with charging for consumables and "fluff" but charging for powersets in this way and at this price point is something I don't agree with.
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Quite. I won't have enough points to buy this with my free points until the end of November. Not that I care much, as I think I'm the only player out there who wasn't foaming at the mouth for Street Justice. I just think it's a crappy business model.
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So how is this a crappy business model? Pay $50 for an entire expansion or a few bucks just for a power set.
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We've gotten new powersets as part of paid expansions, which is a bit different.
When you factor in what was given with CoV and Going Rogue, there was quite a bit more bang for your buck. I remember when Dual Blades was considered a huge coding achievement with being able to hold 2 weapons and that was included with our subscription. I have no problem with charging for consumables and "fluff" but charging for powersets in this way and at this price point is something I don't agree with. |
Having to pay for individual powersets in the Paragon Market is just a different formulation of the same scheme we've already had in this game. Paying for powersets is not a "new" thing - it existed long before the Market came around.
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I would simply argue that part of what you were paying for when you bought those expansion were new powersets. Of course we can quibble about what fraction of that expansion cost was specifically for the powersets in question, but that doesn't change the fact that at least part of your money went towards paying for powersets.
Having to pay for individual powersets in the Paragon Market is just a different formulation of the same scheme we've already had in this game. Paying for powersets is not a "new" thing - it existed long before the Market came around. |
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So how is this a crappy business model? Pay $50 for an entire expansion or a few bucks just for a power set.
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I'll be buying Street Justice anyway, because I have the points set aside for it, but people might not complain as much if things were more reasonably priced.
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