Now everyone's a villainface :(
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Posted on: 2011-09-29 23:43 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Am I the only one who doesn't notice this supposed "darkity dark growl" look that the faces in the CC have? Seriously, aside from the ones that have specifically been labeled as growling, the other faces look perfectly calm/neutral to me.
It's a long story.
A couple dozen of the current faces are alterations of the CoH launch faces, with dark lines and scowls added to make them more villainous. These alterations were added in CoV as "villain faces", separate from the original faces. Only redside toons could pick villain faces, only blueside toons could pick the original faces.
Some time after CoV's launch, the tailor options were combined, so that costume parts were no longer restricted by alignment.
Some time after that, players with astoundingly bad eyesight began to complain of the "duplicate" faces. This resulted in the removal of the original hero faces, such that villain faces were the only options left in the tailor. As someone who's been looking at the same faces for seven years, I can assure you the hero faces and villain faces are not duplicates.
I just wish I had a screenshot to illustrate...
I most vehemently concur with Scythus. I've had no trouble finding "non-scowly" faces for my...non...scowly...guys.
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Indeed. There are numerous neutral faces, and even a couple of grinning/smirking faces.
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Originally Posted by Venture
I most vehemently concur with Scythus. I've had no trouble finding "non-scowly" faces for my...non...scowly...guys.
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Now that you mention it I HAVE noticed a facial difference... dark... brooding... I thought it was just because I'd forgotten to shave this morning..
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I wish I could see what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by Rigel_Kent
Welp, it's official. Issue 21 has finally cut-and-pasted the CoV villainfaces, overwriting all the hero faces from launch. Even the heroes who I've painstakingly kept away from the tailor now have the darkity dark growly cliche 90s anti-hero look. Ugh.
I'm still holding out hope that someone in the art department has sharp enough eyes (and the backups!) to finally catch and fix this six-year-old blunder. |
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Yeah I'm not seeing this either.
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I know what he's talking about.
I have (had?) a character on Guardian that's made with OLD costume parts. I don't think there's anything left on him, other than his gloves, that's still in the costume creator.
I can find a face that's ALMOST like the one he has (had?), but it's not the same.
As I recall, it's not that the normal faces were removed because people were confused by near-duplicate faces. It's because the old faces were made in such a way that they couldn't do some things they wanted to with them. The CoV faces fixed that problem.
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Originally Posted by Venture
I most vehemently concur with Scythus. I've had no trouble finding "non-scowly" faces for my...non...scowly...guys.
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Problem is, they used the same sets of numbers face 1 through whatever. Rather than giving them a separate designation, what we ended up with now is just the CoV faces and only a handful of the original set of City of Heroes faces remade in the CoV slightly darker mold. In some cases, it's a subtle shift, in others it's fairly noticeable, the most obvious one being Face 1 City of Heroes style and Face 1 that currently shows up has the big smirk on his face.
And to top it off, for a short while the original faces were available during the later stage of Open Beta for Freedom. To pretty much no fanfare.
But then, a patch note came down claiming to "fix" the supposed "redundant" pieces. Problem is, they weren't redundant, they were the original faces. As a result, the hero faces fell back into the ether and now we're left with that terrible smirking face as Face 1. Again.
I hate that smug face.
Looking at I1 screenshots of my main alongside screenshots from last week... I'm not seeing what you're seeing so I can only assume one of us is missing something drastic.
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It's not Glowing Eyes any more. Fortunately, that face got added into Supernatural faces. I believe it's Supernatural 13.
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Originally Posted by og_ninja
I have a blaster I made in i3 (back when I started playing) whose face was the original "Glowing Eyes" face. I wonder if it's changed...
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I know what they're talking about, and had no idea this was done. It seems pretty poor, especially with regards to Face 1. It's really not the same face.
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I can say with near certainty that it has. That's the face that I used on my Blaster ever since CoH Beta, and I have had to change it since then. Even the new one in Supernatural doesn't quite look right any more.
To me, however, it's not a huge deal, since I just look for the best face I can, whether it is a slightly, barely noticeable, difference, or a completely new face. I still have some characters whose correct face doesn't even exist in the creator, and I have to go with whatever I can stand.
That being said, I barely notice the difference on some faces, and don't consider the majority of the faces to be any darker or any more villainous than their original counterparts.
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Originally Posted by Kung Ru
Looking at I1 screenshots of my main alongside screenshots from last week... I'm not seeing what you're seeing so I can only assume one of us is missing something drastic.
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Why would the first face available in City of Heroes, Face 1, be a slightly sneering, smirking face? Sure, some heroes are smirk happy jerks. But, the reason is because that's Face 1 from City of Villains.
When City of Villains came out, the character creators were separate. At some point, they rolled the two character creators together.
And that's where the problems began. All the Faces 1 through whatever on both sides were named the same. The masks on the City of Heroes side were labeled Mask 1 through whatever, but City of Villains side they were all given Names like Demise and Ruin etc. But when they gave us access across the board to all the faces and all the masks, they just cut down one side and filled it in with the other. It wasn't much of a problem, a good number of the faces were still there, but things like Face 1 being the most obvious and big red pointer for what was wrong with the merge is kind of staring you in the face.
Face 1 was no longer a completely neutral heroic face, it is now, and has been for awhile, a sneery smirky git face.
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That's the thing, in a number of cases, it is just a subtle, very slight red/tan/orange tint difference. Most of the faces made the changeover, as far as I can tell, but in some cases, it's kind of obvious, specifically Face 1.
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Originally Posted by WHTJunior
I can say with near certainty that it has. That's the face that I used on my Blaster ever since CoH Beta, and I have had to change it since then. Even the new one in Supernatural doesn't quite look right any more.
To me, however, it's not a huge deal, since I just look for the best face I can, whether it is a slightly, barely noticeable, difference, or a completely new face. I still have some characters whose correct face doesn't even exist in the creator, and I have to go with whatever I can stand. That being said, I barely notice the difference on some faces, and don't consider the majority of the faces to be any darker or any more villainous than their original counterparts. |
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Originally Posted by ThePill
In some cases, it's a subtle shift, in others it's fairly noticeable, the most obvious one being Face 1 City of Heroes style and Face 1 that currently shows up has the big smirk on his face.
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What Rigel seems to be talking about is that ALL the faces we have now are somehow darker, more villainous versions of faces we had before CoV was released. I don't see it. CoV had all the original CoH faces, plus a few more that looked more villainous (scarred faces, hostile faces, rotten, that smirking one, maybe some of the supernatural). When players saw that villains for some reason got all these cool new faces but heroes were stuck with the old and much smaller selection, a justified protest was raised, similar to what happened when villains got tons of costume pieces that heroes didn't get. Not just that we would have to pay for CoV to get them, hero characters couldn't even access them in the costume generator, even if we owned CoV.
So what I'm not seeing is what faces were supposed to have been changed from being "heroic" to "villainous". They are the same faces and have been since City of Villains was released, or shortly afterwards.
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So, uh, has any face actually been removed and not just renamed? I remember the old CoH Face 1 and I'm pretty sure it's still around, just bumped up in the list. I don't get the fixation with "Face 1" specifically.
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
So what I'm not seeing is what faces were supposed to have been changed from being "heroic" to "villainous". They are the same faces and have been since City of Villains was released, or shortly afterwards.
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You can't see what faces are missing, because they are missing. In some cases, it's a really subtle shift in tint or shading, that orange/tan that shows through on the lighter colors. Since City of Villains was released, or shortly afterwards. Thing is, during the late stage of Open Beta I saw that they had access to all the faces and all the masks.
Then, there was a patch saying that they "fixed" the redundant pieces.
There's no real mystery or malice here. Just file replacement.
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Originally Posted by Kjell_NA
So, uh, has any face actually been removed and not just renamed? I remember the old CoH Face 1 and I'm pretty sure it's still around, just bumped up in the list. I don't get the fixation with "Face 1" specifically.
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The thing is, I'm not entirely sure either that the old CoH Face 1 is gone. If it is "gone", it's likely only "gone" in the sense that it appears that they tinted a number of faces adding a little more shading or tint to the coloration like they did with all the faces that came with City of Villains.
My fixation, such that it is, is that when I load up the costume creator to make a character, I have to look at that smug sneery smirk face, instead of a neutral one.
Honestly? Partly, it's a matter of personal preference. If I'm intent on rolling a new character, which I am wont to do as I'm a big altaholic, I'm constantly met with Villain Face 1. The other part of it is, that I had heard a handful of folks in my regular chat channel saying that faces were missing way back when they merged the two sets. I'm inclined to believe them, in that there there are a number of faces that seem to be slightly darker.
It's subtle, it's pervasive, but without a shot for shot comparison, I can't point out which ones have gotten the makeover.
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I'm using the same male and female faces I've been using since launch. There's only a precious few I like, and they are all still in. Hurray?
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
I'm using the same male and female faces I've been using since launch. There's only a precious few I like, and they are all still in. Hurray?
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This is one time screen shots would help.
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Welp, it's official. Issue 21 has finally cut-and-pasted the CoV villainfaces, overwriting all the hero faces from launch. Even the heroes who I've painstakingly kept away from the tailor now have the darkity dark growly cliche 90s anti-hero look. Ugh.
I'm still holding out hope that someone in the art department has sharp enough eyes (and the backups!) to finally catch and fix this six-year-old blunder.