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Posted on: 2011-09-27 06:51 in Base Construction
Have we had any indication that Premiums being unable to pay rent is working as intended? If they can join an SG, enter the base and use the equipment therein, it doesn't make sense that they can't pay the rent.
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I've had bases left unattended for months at a time. In one case I had an alt group that had been left a year because of a lapsed sub and it took a day for it to properly reactivate which to me implies that after a certain amount of time; bases get archived in order to save space, memory or processor time on the instance server.
The method they have now, whatever it is, is probably the best way for them at the moment.
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Well I know for sure that Free players cannot join an SG, so that's not an issue anyway. But as for Premium players not being able to pay SG rent, isn't it up the the Base Commander to set those options? I have my base setup so any of the players from new recruit to top rank can pay rent.
The Base Registrar will not display the "pay rent now" or "create a base" or "create a Supergroup" options to a Preem. These features are only available to ViPs.
Personally I don't think the devs should be giving away bases for free but I don't really mind Preems gaming the system.
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I'm wondering if this is what they meant when they said that only VIPs would be able to "edit" bases.|
Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
The Base Registrar will not display the "pay rent now" or "create a base" or "create a Supergroup" options to a Preem. These features are only available to ViPs.
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Just an observation and not one I like if my silly wild *** guess is right but it's possible that not being able to pay rent was intended as an incentive to subscribe.|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Have we had any indication that Premiums being unable to pay rent is working as intended? If they can join an SG, enter the base and use the equipment therein, it doesn't make sense that they can't pay the rent.
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It makes Prems decide between having a base that isn't completely functional or subbing to get full access.
Base Rent has been a completely obsolete concept for YEARS now. Simplest solution would be to just get rid of it entirely.
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My premium account can edit her base just fine. She cannot pay the rent though. Personally, I don't care one way or the other about base rent.
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Originally Posted by Impish Kat
I'm wondering if this is what they meant when they said that only VIPs would be able to "edit" bases.
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Agreed. |
Originally Posted by Redlynne
Base Rent has been a completely obsolete concept for YEARS now. Simplest solution would be to just get rid of it entirely.
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Years ago I could understand with base raids because the more members the more stuff you could get for base raid defenses and the like.
Just looking at the worktables you can see a large percentage of the items are PvP items.
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Agreed, to me it never made a lot of sense to have the storage racks be the basis for rent costs. Just do away with rent entirely.
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Originally Posted by Redlynne
Base Rent has been a completely obsolete concept for YEARS now. Simplest solution would be to just get rid of it entirely.
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Can a Premium player invite others to a SG?
Yes Angel they can 
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
Can a Premium player invite others to a SG?
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Depends on how long ago they started laying the groundwork on this new business model.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Agreed, to me it never made a lot of sense to have the storage racks be the basis for rent costs. Just do away with rent entirely.
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The rent on storage conveniently prevents players from using Prem accounts to creating solo storage SG's.
We also know the devs are dead set against making it easy for us to create solo SG's. In a recent U stream they said if they ever worked on a feture to allow SG invites by email they wouldn't allow us to send the invites to characters on the same account.
Just saying.
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Which means they also likely won't be coming up with a "base transfer" option for moving/copying a base to Exalted server.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Depends on how long ago they started laying the groundwork on this new business model.
The rent on storage conveniently prevents players from using Prem accounts to creating solo storage SG's. We also know the devs are dead set against making it easy for us to create solo SG's. In a recent U stream they said if they ever worked on a feture to allow SG invites by email they wouldn't allow us to send the invites to characters on the same account. Just saying. |
I'd have no problems with placing Base-Rent behind a Paragon Rewards marker.
As is I think this is going to be yet ANOTHER potential public relations disaster as players who have left the game come back to play. Veteran players returning are probably NOT going to be happy they won't be able to reactivate or pay base rent for bases they set up over the past 7 years.
Or maybe I should say: ARE NOT HAPPY. I saw quite a few requests floating around global channels for a VIP player to join SG's and VG's for the sole sake of just paying rent. I also saw similar requests floating around broadcast chat on a couple servers in Atlas Park, as well as requests in various server help-channels.
I understand the desire of the developers to prevent players from "gaming the system"... but there's a pretty big difference between "gaming the system" and "pissing your potential subscriber base off"
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The fact this even has to be said is evidence enough that some on the Dev team simply don't seem to get this at all.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
I'd have no problems with placing Base-Rent behind a Paragon Rewards marker.
As is I think this is going to be yet ANOTHER potential public relations disaster as players who have left the game come back to play. Veteran players returning are probably NOT going to be happy they won't be able to reactivate or pay base rent for bases they set up over the past 7 years. Or maybe I should say: ARE NOT HAPPY. I saw quite a few requests floating around global channels for a VIP player to join SG's and VG's for the sole sake of just paying rent. I also saw similar requests floating around broadcast chat on a couple servers in Atlas Park, as well as requests in various server help-channels. I understand the desire of the developers to prevent players from "gaming the system"... but there's a pretty big difference between "gaming the system" and "pissing your potential subscriber base off" |
Which, y'know, is really quite bad actually.
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Surprised?
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
The fact this even has to be said is evidence enough that some on the Dev team simply don't seem to get this at all.
Which, y'know, is really quite bad actually. |
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At this point ... not in the slightest ... |
Originally Posted by MrHassenpheffer
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Given I've had it happen fairly quickly (not a year, but "Concentrating on one server for a hair over 6 weeks, then check rent elsewhere") - and, actually, on the *same* base - and had others able to stay inactive for longer but be perfectly accessible, I'd call it more of a bug than an automated archiving feature. |
Originally Posted by Tyger
I've had bases left unattended for months at a time. In one case I had an alt group that had been left a year because of a lapsed sub and it took a day for it to properly reactivate which to me implies that after a certain amount of time; bases get archived in order to save space, memory or processor time on the instance server.
The method they have now, whatever it is, is probably the best way for them at the moment. |
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
The fact this even has to be said is evidence enough that some on the Dev team simply don't seem to get this at all.
Which, y'know, is really quite bad actually. |
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
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So the people who aren't paying NCSoft's rent are upset that NCSoft is returning the privilege?
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Can you name one thing that people actually care about that you could lock premium players out of that would *not* piss off players?|
Originally Posted by je_saist
I'd have no problems with placing Base-Rent behind a Paragon Rewards marker.
As is I think this is going to be yet ANOTHER potential public relations disaster as players who have left the game come back to play. Veteran players returning are probably NOT going to be happy they won't be able to reactivate or pay base rent for bases they set up over the past 7 years. Or maybe I should say: ARE NOT HAPPY. I saw quite a few requests floating around global channels for a VIP player to join SG's and VG's for the sole sake of just paying rent. I also saw similar requests floating around broadcast chat on a couple servers in Atlas Park, as well as requests in various server help-channels. I understand the desire of the developers to prevent players from "gaming the system"... but there's a pretty big difference between "gaming the system" and "pissing your potential subscriber base off" |
If not, then I refute your assertion that there's any difference between "gaming the system" and "pissing your potential subscriber base off." There's no daylight between the two. It comes down to whether the devs feel the restriction is reasonable, because all restrictions reasonable or otherwise will piss off someone somewhere.
Other than that, I would otherwise tend to agree that being able to pay base rent is a perfect candidate for a Paragon Rewards tier reward. Something not too severe: tier 3 or 4 perhaps.
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Well, then. Obviously Premium players have to get absolutely everything for free. Clearly, anything less is literally a slap in the face.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Can you name one thing that people actually care about that you could lock premium players out of that would *not* piss off players?
If not, then I refute your assertion that there's any difference between "gaming the system" and "pissing your potential subscriber base off." There's no daylight between the two. |
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Given the changes coming with Freedom, should the devs do away with Base Rent entirely?
Since Premium and Free players cannot pay rent, VIP players are going to get swarmed with requests to make rent payments.
I don't think it's fair that Premiums cannot pay rent on bases at all. Clearly, since I'm posting here, I'm a VIP, but I still don't think it's fair.
The simple solution is to do away with Base Rent completely. Afterall, what is the incentive to play in SG mode if you are Free or Premium now?