Dev Chat Highlights, September 22: Flipping the Bird with Positron during the Downtime
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Posted on: 2011-09-23 05:45 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Yeah, and they could have said something too. Really, how hard is it to even open up a dialogue with players after 3 years of "re-evaluating" base storage?|
Originally Posted by Texas Justice
I'll agree that changing a single value in a database isn't hard if it doesn't affect any other items in the database.
Re-evaluating also doesn't mean that they aren't happy with how something is. They may have re-evaluated the change to base storage and determined that it was where they wanted to keep it. They may have re-evaluated it and decided it should be changed but couldn't agree on what to change it to. |
Almost 3 years ago (11-20-2008):
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Originally Posted by Sunstorm
Q. Salvage Storage Racks, Why only 30 pieces of invention salvage?
A. In short, the market. The market system is designed to have a steady supply of salvage coming in. If large salvage racks were added, it would create a temporary supply problem of unknown duration until the salvage racks filled up. Since having salvage temporarily dry up would be a big problem for all players, this number was intentionally kept low. Once the impact on the markets as a whole can be measured, we will look at adjusting these numbers again. |
It is more than past time they do something about this.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
That doesn't mean that all of the players agree with the decisions they make when they re-evaluate things. But it also doesn't mean that it is code for "we won't do anything about it" as you put it.
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This isn't just Bases, it is PVP, Badges, Drop Rates, Incarnate Table Rewards, and many other aspects of the game.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
You still haven't admitted you were wrong about the Praetorians choices as they level having no effect on the choice they get to make at level 20 as to whether they go hero or villain.
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The moral choices a player makes before 20 has no impact on 20+ play where they can switch sides like every other character.
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
I still think losing that cap so we could store invention salvage was a great trade off.
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Clearly Zwill needs some free character slots on his account so he can make veats and heats. I'm sure that's why he hasn't made one yet, because he just doesn't have enough slots, right? Give the man some character slot tokens and he'll have level 50 epics in no time.
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Originally Posted by Positron
Everyone seems to be getting on Zwill's case about not knowing something about the game.
The game is BIG. Everyone misses something. I told a designer the other day that you can combine two enhancements that are already IN a power (i.e. not including one in your tray) and they had no idea that was in the game. Been there since launch (or a little after), not many people know it can be done because the UI was set up for simplification in this case. |
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Originally Posted by Indiramourning
Gee, I always thougth that male widows were called widowers.....
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For spiders, however, male widows are still called "widows"
Also, the male widow spiders around my place are actually not black, they are light brown, with a red hourglass, and quite a bit smaller than the females (maybe it makes them easier to eat?).
Another little factoid about widow spiders... they are essentially blind. They rely on the vibrations in their webs to let them know if something is around, and they can tell how large something is by those vibrations. That is why they don't usually bite unless they've been disturbed.
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1 Storage Rack can hold enough Halloween Salvage for 7 new costume slots. How hard can it be to log on your Salvage Mule and restock it every now and then?
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
We definitely could (and did) store event salvage in bases before the change. Now we have to leave it on characters because the storage limits are too low. The developers even acknowledged that. |
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Yeah, like that time when they said they were re-evaluating merit rewards and everything still costs the same and rewards the same as it did with the launch of issue 13! Remember how that's what happened?
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Re-evaluating is Paragon Studios-speak for "we won't do anything about it."
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*cough* Candy Canes *cough*|
Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
1 Storage Rack can hold enough Halloween Salvage for 7 new costume slots. How hard can it be to log on your Salvage Mule and restock it every now and then?
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A rack will barely hold enough for a single purchase, not including the recipes or the holiday respec (16/18 salvage racks needed to transfer enough Candy Canes to buy that).
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
Yeah, like that time when they said they were re-evaluating merit rewards and everything still costs the same and rewards the same as it did with the launch of issue 13! Remember how that's what happened?
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How many weeks out of the year can you even trade that in?|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
*cough* Candy Canes *cough*
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How many minutes does it take to transfer 100 canes from one toon to anther with only 1 storage rack? 5, 10 minutes?
I'll stand by my originali statement
I still think losing that cap so we could store invention salvage was a great trade off.
I don't even know why you brought up event salvage in the first place.
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Side note, it's been found some male widow spiders wait for the female to have eaten something so they can get away without being dinner.
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Originally Posted by Impish Kat
Also, the male widow spiders around my place are actually not black, they are light brown, with a red hourglass, and quite a bit smaller than the females (maybe it makes them easier to eat?).
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Because the groups that I belong to used to use the racks as storage for event salvage and as a resource to build bases with.
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
I don't even know why you brought up event salvage in the first place.
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They can still do that. Now they can use it to store Invention Salvage also.
Charlie Sheen would call this winning.
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Agreed. Sometimes "we're re-evaluating" means that they do it, find no better alternative (despite the cries in the forums to the contrary. Your good idea may not fly when the coders/artists get a hold of it), and leave it alone. Doing nothing is a viable option, though you'd never know it in these forums.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
I'll agree that changing a single value in a database isn't hard if it doesn't affect any other items in the database.
Re-evaluating also doesn't mean that they aren't happy with how something is. They may have re-evaluated the change to base storage and determined that it was where they wanted to keep it. They may have re-evaluated it and decided it should be changed but couldn't agree on what to change it to. That doesn't mean that all of the players agree with the decisions they make when they re-evaluate things. But it also doesn't mean that it is code for "we won't do anything about it" as you put it. Of course, we've had this discussion before about what they said and what was meant by what they said and what they really meant by what they said. |
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Originally Posted by Positron
Everyone seems to be getting on Zwill's case about not knowing something about the game.
The game is BIG. Everyone misses something. I told a designer the other day that you can combine two enhancements that are already IN a power (i.e. not including one in your tray) and they had no idea that was in the game. Been there since launch (or a little after), not many people know it can be done because the UI was set up for simplification in this case. |
Yeah, I mean, look at how many designers thought BAB was in the Phalanx!
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I'm not sure this particular story conveys the intended idea.
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Originally Posted by Positron
Everyone seems to be getting on Zwill's case about not knowing something about the game.
The game is BIG. Everyone misses something. I told a designer the other day that you can combine two enhancements that are already IN a power (i.e. not including one in your tray) and they had no idea that was in the game. Been there since launch (or a little after), not many people know it can be done because the UI was set up for simplification in this case. |
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
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I can't store multiple hundreds of candy cane salvage for the group without cutting into invention salvage storage for the group.|
Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
They can still do that. Now they can use it to store Invention Salvage also.
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Agreed. Sometimes "we're re-evaluating" means that they do it, find no better alternative (despite the cries in the forums to the contrary. Your good idea may not fly when the coders/artists get a hold of it), and leave it alone. Doing nothing is a viable option, though you'd never know it in these forums.
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A player with more alts, higher Paragon Rewards levels, and purchased uprgades could hold more than a single group with 18 bins holding 2,500 pieces of salvage.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Side note, it's been found some male widow spiders wait for the female to have eaten something so they can get away without being dinner.
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Damn good way of putting it, much better than what I wrote and subsequently deleted after making it through the rest of the thread and seeing this!
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I'm not sure this particular story conveys the intended idea.
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Not everyone. Several posters have chimed in to admit they had no idea either. I've been playing two years now, and with 25 characters there are still many power sets and a few archetypes I haven't explored--including epic archetypes. I think people realize this isn't a big deal and they're just jumping at the chance to tease a dev.|
Originally Posted by Positron
Everyone seems to be getting on Zwill's case about not knowing something about the game.
The game is BIG. Everyone misses something. |
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
"Oh, no! I see that he has Hasten on! That changes... EVERYTHING!!!!"
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Oh well. If this is the worst thing I have to accept about this game, then I'll be okay I suppose. This is the coolest game I ever played. *Takes a deep breath* I guess I can let go of Hasten.
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If anything, use the same damn salvage, but increase quantities required.
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Ye gods, it works! O_O
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Originally Posted by TroyHickman
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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I appreciate the developers coming out to talk to us. It's kind of a brave move, give our proclivity for spitballs and pitchforks.
I do have to echo the WTH about Hasten's graphics though. I really don't understand the comment and can only assume it was taken out of context. Hasten is not used tactically, and if it was, you could hide it by creating an exactly identical affect using auras. We want Hasten to not have a graphic because our Ice and Psi characters are running around with their hands on fire 24/7 because the power is NOT used tactically, it is set to auto, even on SO builds, and yes, even at level 10 (at least for me). It is the costume affects of Hasten that is so hated. It's not necessarily hideous, just "costume inappropriate" and constantly on because there is nothing strategic about Hasten whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by TroyHickman
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