What to do with enhancement boosters?
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Posted on: 2011-09-22 19:41 in The Market and Inventions
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When I can't spare a third slot for Hasten, I bump up the level 50 Recharge IOs to Level 55.
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Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi
I'm hearing mixed messages on these. What good are they? I'd probly only use them on Zube, my purpled-out main character. Are they of any real value to me?
Where, if anywhere, are people finding good use for these? |
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What's the enhancement value of an IO bumped up to 55?|
Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
When I can't spare a third slot for Hasten, I bump up the level 50 Recharge IOs to Level 55.
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Here is a very handy chart specifically for Haste:|
Originally Posted by Gatecrasher
What's the enhancement value of an IO bumped up to 55?
Thanks, Gate |
Originally Posted by rsclark
Modding just one of the 2 gives you 91.8, so depending on how stingy you want to be with points, you might be able to get by with that.
50,50,50 = 99%
50+5,50+5 = 95.9%
50+5,50 = 91.8%
50,50 = 83.3%
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Interesting, thanks Gavin. It would seem to me that if you're going to use one of those things, heck, might as well use one on each.
Later on,
Gate
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Not necessarily. Two level 35 IOs = 36.7%x2 = 73.4%|
Originally Posted by Gatecrasher
Interesting, thanks Gavin. It would seem to me that if you're going to use one of those things, heck, might as well use one on each.
Later on, Gate |
Upgrading to two level 50 IOs only shaved off a few seconds. Upgrading to two 50+5s or a third 50 would be less than 1 second from the two 50s.
the real thing you gotta check is that last little bit worth the cost to you?
If you have a build that traditionally needs the third IO to hit permahaste, then probably two 50+5s can keep you in permahaste and give you 1 extra slot to play with. But 83% to 92% is a far bigger jump than 92% to 96%. Very rarely would I think that the 4% difference between 50+5,50 and 50+5,50+5 is relevant. Very Very rarely. But that 9% jump from one +5? that's a solid chunk of time shaved off.
short version: It depends on build, don't assume you need both.
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some vary from but the effectiveness I have found without posting numbers is the acc/rech in purp sets. even the three count<acc/rech/dam> just to boost...the acc/rech values further. Also woks well in non purp sets. Don't see any point in using them in anything else unless you really have that much money and don't know what to do with it.|
Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi
I'm hearing mixed messages on these. What good are they? I'd probly only use them on Zube, my purpled-out main character. Are they of any real value to me?
Where, if anywhere, are people finding good use for these? |
when in beta, i wanted to test this extensively, however; kept running out of paragon points to spend. so the most efficient use was enhancing acc/rech. note: when I say "some vary" I mean not all sets were acc/rech/dam, some were acc/rech/hold.
Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.
Usually use mine in areas that are significantly under the ED, just to get the most out of them. That said with a Tier 4 Alpha there might be a fair bit of value in enhancing the specific areas the Alpha reduces the ED in.
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I'm not catching your meaning here.|
Originally Posted by Guisling
with a Tier 4 Alpha there might be a fair bit of value in enhancing the specific areas the Alpha reduces the ED in.
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What do you mean by "Tier 4 Alpha"? I assume ED means Enhancement Diversification, but I am not aware of anything in the game that "reduces" this "feature."
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I think you're misunderstanding the effect of the alpha. The bonus provided by the alpha itself is partly able to ignore ED, but it has no effect on other bonuses ignoring ED.
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Originally Posted by Guisling
Usually use mine in areas that are significantly under the ED, just to get the most out of them. That said with a Tier 4 Alpha there might be a fair bit of value in enhancing the specific areas the Alpha reduces the ED in.
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My primary use for enhancement boosters is in powers that I'm slotting Kinetic Combat or Eradication sets for the defense boosts, or in powers that I've slotted Basilisk's Gaze for the +7.5% recharge. Turning those 30s into 35s (or 35s to 40s) makes a difference.|
Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi
I'm hearing mixed messages on these. What good are they? I'd probly only use them on Zube, my purpled-out main character. Are they of any real value to me?
Where, if anywhere, are people finding good use for these? |
It's also useful for overcapping defense powers in order to deal with the higher defense needed for Incarnate Trials.
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Well that is both simple and brilliant at the same time! I've been sitting on these stupid things for a while now with absolutely no idea what to do with them. Thanks! |
Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
When I can't spare a third slot for Hasten, I bump up the level 50 Recharge IOs to Level 55.
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I can sorta understand the not being able to trade/sell/whatever a altered enhancer. Cool. But there should be a way for it to go back to unaltered for these transactions then, yes?
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Just for clarity, that isn't how they work. a 30+5 is not the same as a 35 And a 50+5 is closer to a level 80 than a 55.|
Originally Posted by Harald387
My primary use for enhancement boosters is in powers that I'm slotting Kinetic Combat or Eradication sets for the defense boosts, or in powers that I've slotted Basilisk's Gaze for the +7.5% recharge. Turning those 30s into 35s (or 35s to 40s) makes a difference.
It's also useful for overcapping defense powers in order to deal with the higher defense needed for Incarnate Trials. |
Each booster increases the existing bonus by 5% of the existing bonus. Going from 49 to 50 is only a change from 42.2 to 42.4, a theoretical level 51 recharge IO would thus only give 42.6%. However a booster gives 5% over 42.5 up to 44.66% an increase equal to a level 56 IO.
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I hadn't realized that.|
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Just for clarity, that isn't how they work. a 30+5 is not the same as a 35 And a 50+5 is closer to a level 80 than a 55.
Each booster increases the existing bonus by 5% of the existing bonus. Going from 49 to 50 is only a change from 42.2 to 42.4, a theoretical level 51 recharge IO would thus only give 42.6%. However a booster gives 5% over 42.5 up to 44.66% an increase equal to a level 56 IO. |
That said, it remains an excellent way to get a boost out of them without running into ED.
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Are these IOs still tradeable after boosted. Say I take one out of a build and want to pass it to one of my other characters.
Is that possible or not? I know you can't trade an enchancement that has been combined, such as a HO.
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They claim to be "account locked" such that you can't drop them into a base or trade or the market but can pass between characters. Without those tools, I don't see how it is possible to pass them, so until I have personal experience, I am considering them "character locked".
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Originally Posted by Gospel_NA
Are these IOs still tradeable after boosted. Say I take one out of a build and want to pass it to one of my other characters.
Is that possible or not? I know you can't trade an enchancement that has been combined, such as a HO. |
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If I'm not mistaken, isn't the _best_ place to shove these into quads and trips? These are the ones that would benefit most from a little nudge, instead of something already having a huge value getting a little bit more.
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Mathematically, the items with the highest total bonuses will get the highest increase. this would be HOs and Quads, but they don't work on HOs (I was for a moment dreaming of the power of a 53+++++ HO before that was ruthlessly crushed).|
Originally Posted by OneFrigidWitch
If I'm not mistaken, isn't the _best_ place to shove these into quads and trips? These are the ones that would benefit most from a little nudge, instead of something already having a huge value getting a little bit more.
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However, there is no "best" as there are so many different applications.
Quads will rarely (possibly never) give you enough of any single bonus to remove a slot from a power. But bumping a common recharge can let you take a slot out of haste and still be perma, giving you a slot back somewhere else.
Again, several of teh bonuses from a quad may be hitting ED limits so the boost might be wasted. Targetting the boost to an IO where there are two values that aren't near the limit, instead of 4 where 2 are at the limit and 2 are half the size of the dual IO, is clearly giving you less bang for your buck.
To put some numbers to this. Let's say the Obliteration Quad. Damage and Recharge are already hitting the ED caps if you're running the full set or even 5/6 of the set. Accuracy and End are only 18.6% each on the quad but neither is near ED limits. Adding a boost pushes them to 19.53 a gain of 0.9 Acc and 0.9 End. On the other hand, if you could enhance the acc/end from multistrike's double that starts at 26.5% and goes up to 27.83, for a gain of 1.33%. Since you can drop in five boosters the total is 4.5% per stat on the quad, vs 6.65% on the dual. So if you can use all four stats boosted, the quad is better. If only three they are roughly equal, and if you would hit ED or two or more from the quad, then boosting the dual is better.
It's reasonable to say that in many cases pushing a dual or single will give your build more benefit than a quad or a triple. But you have to look at every power individually. Most people
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I had enough experience testing these on.. well.. test to know that I will not use them under any circumstance until a much-needed significant price drop - or, if they manage to function to also improve globals and procs.
Can't really improve their effectiveness much more without overpowering them, but they are seriously overpriced.
As it stands I am pretty hesitant to ever use any of them (or buy 90x, since I know that would cover me for life) the bonus is just too insignificant for me to invest real money into.
I was thinking, as others said, use them on quads - maybe use them on Kinetic Combat to bring up the effectiveness - yeah, it just doesn't make a difference you'll notice outside of the enhancement screen.
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If they are account locked you should be able to pass them to yourself via e-mail right?
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
They claim to be "account locked" such that you can't drop them into a base or trade or the market but can pass between characters. Without those tools, I don't see how it is possible to pass them, so until I have personal experience, I am considering them "character locked".
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I have slotted about 100 boosters into one of my toons (so far) and plan to write a guide relating the whys and what I got in return for this insane investment. Let me sum up the results to date by saying that I am VERY pleased. Boosters can do some of the the following.
Turn any Level 50 set into a set with Purple % values. Since there are any number of sets that have set bonuses not available in the Purple for a particular power, and even more that have No Purple this can be a great thing.
I have found that boosting Def/End or Resist/End in toggles is nifty.
Using 25 boosters to to max out a 5 slot Crushing Impact allowed me to get more than double the endurance reduction of a Hecatomb set in my most endurance intensive Tier 9 melee attack. This move alone was huge in fixing long fight endurance problems. ( final % were Accy 53% || Damage 101.86 (Pre-ED: 145.75%) || Endurance 84.51% (Pre-ED: 86.12%) || Rchg 84.51% (Pre-ED: 86.12%) .
That Tier 9 attack has an inherent accuracy bonus so even with the lesser Accy bonus compared to Hecatomb final Accy was fine. The slightly lower recharge value compared to Heca was ok when you look at the actual difference in 10th's of a second. And this allowed the Hecatomb to be placed into my most efficient DPS attack. This is the sort of analysis you will need to do if you want to go to the outer limits with boosters.
Finally I have tried to be very careful to avoid fighting the ED dragon with boosters, if at all possible.
Example - Hasten two level 50 Rchg Red - one at 50+5 and one at 50+3 and you go Red Level at 95.26%. After that the last two possible boosters are really wasted neting only 95.90%.
Dual aspect level 50's and Purples are almost always where you want to look first, since you can usually find one that has two things that both need help. Triples with two needed aspects are next. Avoid quads but I have +5 ed one as it was the only choice left to get the values I had targeted to where I wanted them. Boosting lvl 30, 35 and 40 are frustrating by comparison but may be required.
Since Mids now allows you to apply the +'s look for every chance to use the minimum to get to ED upper yellow or red before you commit. And don't just look at the ED status. Look at the actual effect on the power. Having 95% endurance reduction in a toggle that only draws .21 to begin with may not be woth the cost, etc.
Lastly, if you are going to make a really significant change to a favorite Alt. (I am only going to do this ONCE to my main) then the cheapest you can buy Boosters appears to be as follows:
Buy $100.00 (108.25 with tax) in points for max points per dollar.
Buy the 90 booster bundle(s) for max boosters per point.
Net cost for me doing this including the sales tax charged by my State is $0.225 per booster. Thus (so far) I have spent about $22.50 on the one toon.
If I was tier 9 of course I could use tokens to get the repeatable booster pack and eventually do this on the cheap. But that is a long way off for me even with the tokens from my big points purchase.
Jak
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Should. Except I was told you can't email them.
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Originally Posted by Gospel_NA
If they are account locked you should be able to pass them to yourself via e-mail right?
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"Hmm, I guess I'm not as omniscient as I thought" -Gavin Runeblade.
I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
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Jak, Have you been able to pass one of these from character A to character B?
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Originally Posted by JakHammer
I have slotted about 100 boosters into one of my toons (so far) and plan to write a guide relating the whys and what I got in return for this insane investment. Let me sum up the results to date by saying that I am VERY pleased.
Jak |
"Hmm, I guess I'm not as omniscient as I thought" -Gavin Runeblade.
I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
No I have not tried to move any boosted IO's. All boosters so far have been commited to sets that I know will stay on Main no matter what the next respec entails.
I am considering using my free unslotters to pull two-three Ragnarok pieces off a seldom played toon to complete the Purple sets on the Main when the bids on two remaining Geddon pieces fill (two sets done two to go). But I am disinclined to boost them pre-transfer. I guess I could single Boost a generic I plan to use and email it. I'll report back if I do.
Jak
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Ok purchased a Generic Lvl 50 Accy.
Claimed 1 booster.
Attempted to boost while in Enhancement tray - Fail.
Put generic in Brawl and boosteed to +1. (SO, you can Only Boost a Slotted IO.)
Claimed 1 Unsloter. Unsloted Boosted Generic.
Attempted to enter Base - crashed.
Reloaded and successfully entered base.
Attempted to put the Boosted IO in an empty Enhancement Storage Bin - red message "You cannot etc. ..." Tried on a Bin that had some in it - same message.
Attempted to email Boosted IO - red message- "You cannot etc. ..."
It Appears, At This Time, that BOOSTED IO's are BOUND to the Character that makes them, Period.
I am sure glad that I was careful to only boost pieces I know are certain to stay on my Main no matter what I do with the rest of the build.
Clearly you would commit few if any boosters to a toon you were not in love with .
Jak
I'm hearing mixed messages on these. What good are they? I'd probly only use them on Zube, my purpled-out main character. Are they of any real value to me?
Where, if anywhere, are people finding good use for these?
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