Concerns about the new EULA
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Posted on: 2011-09-11 04:59 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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If you're thinking about something like VMware, I can tell you it plays, but very slowly under workstation 7. Too slow to be really playable, at least on my hardware (which is fairly zippy). I'm going to start putting 8 through its paces starting tomorrow, and I'll certainly do a CoH test at some point soon. Perhaps 8 has better Opengl performance.
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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
Sadly, the Windows XP Mode experiment was a failure. Whether it's the architecture of the emulated graphics card or the fact of the emulation itself, City of Heroes can't handle the emulated S3 Trio built into Windows XP Mode. That is not an option at the present time for solving the problem of the game monitoring your computer bit streams.
I'm unsure how a similar experiment with a Windows 7 virtual machine would pan out but I don't have the drive to put in the effort to find out. |
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Originally Posted by Steele_Magnolia
It's only a violation of your privacy and civil rights if you don't agree to it and they do it anyway.
That said I don't like it. I understand they want to watch out for botting which is rampant in another NC Soft game where the botters/goldselllers have destroyed that game's economy. That led to a violent round of purges of the innocent and guilty alike, resulting in there only being 4 servers left and the game not even on the market 2 years yet. It's a fun game, but the economy stinks and the paranoia level is deservedly high among the playerbase. I would rather there be a clear line about only watching for purposes of the game and not my financial information, political views, etc. Game employees have been known to do shady things. There's nothing to say a fired employee won't just start up a new goldselling business using customer lists, now he may decided to skip the marketing and go straight to your bank account if the EULA's tools include a keylogger. |
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I can say that while NProtect was not the sole reason I stopped playing Exteel, it was a contributing factor. I would end up doing a lot of weighing of things in the balance if they introduced a similar monitoring program into City of Heroes.|
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For that reason, I applaud the MARTy initiative. If they can keep the monitoring on the server, where it really makes the most sense, then I'll be happy as a clam about the whole monitoring issue.
Oh and talking about extreme EULA's I just read this morning that Sony added a clause to their online games stating. "You can't file a class action lawsuit against them." Apparently in an attempt to head off class action lawsuits over the hacking incident they had.
That said the same article mentioned that yes it is a legal clause but it is doubtful it could actually be enforced. Ie it wouldn't stop you from filing a class action lawsuit but then they probably could legally terminate your account if you did. ::shrug::
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I concur with this. I think MARTy is one of the best ideas they've ever had in this game. I just hope that they can get the "sensitivity" just right to stop the RMTers and not affect regular players. I'm sure it will get better over time.
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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
For that reason, I applaud the MARTy initiative. If they can keep the monitoring on the server, where it really makes the most sense, then I'll be happy as a clam about the whole monitoring issue.
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Oh crap, I just logged in and accidentally accepted the new EULA and received an email saying I just lost my 19th Amendment. I guess I'll never have the right to vote as a woman.
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Originally Posted by Westley
I'm strongly considering sucking it up now though, at least for one day, just to try the Philotic Knight the way he was always meant to be from the start: a Force Fields/Fire Blast defender.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
If you're thinking about something like VMware, I can tell you it plays, but very slowly under workstation 7. Too slow to be really playable, at least on my hardware (which is fairly zippy). I'm going to start putting 8 through its paces starting tomorrow, and I'll certainly do a CoH test at some point soon. Perhaps 8 has better Opengl performance.
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Unfortunately not good initially. Something's borked OpenGL under Workstation 8 in my testing, but I only had a short while to test it before I had to move on to more productive testing. I'll swing back and look at it again more carefully after I've completed putting VM8 through its paces. My guess is that the new virtual hardware does something funky with screen mapping or something.|
Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
I'll be interested in what your results are like.
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I've heard things are better under Fusion, but I don't have a copy of Fusion to test, and I've also heard things work better under Virtualbox, but I don't have my home workstation set up to run Virtualbox.
I can say that workstation 7 was *almost* playable. I could get CoH to start, run and play, but my frame rate was somewhere between 7 frames per second in instances, to 0.5 frames per second in some outdoor shared zone maps. That sounds awful, but its just an order of magnitude from being playable, and that's under 100% software emulated OpenGL. If VMware can get OpenGL somehow accelerated, you could probably play CoH (and anything else) in a Unity window with zero chance of spyware seeing anything else on your workstation. I'm sure its just a matter of time before that's how we end up running all apps we have concerns about.
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And actually, enforceable or not, there is an opt out of that clause. You have to mail them a physical, signed document saying you opt out.
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Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
Oh and talking about extreme EULA's I just read this morning that Sony added a clause to their online games stating. "You can't file a class action lawsuit against them." Apparently in an attempt to head off class action lawsuits over the hacking incident they had.
That said the same article mentioned that yes it is a legal clause but it is doubtful it could actually be enforced. Ie it wouldn't stop you from filing a class action lawsuit but then they probably could legally terminate your account if you did. ::shrug:: |
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Oh crap, I just logged in and accidentally accepted the new EULA and received an email saying I just lost my 19th Amendment. I guess I'll never have the right to vote as a woman.
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Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
Oh crap, I just logged in and accidentally accepted the new EULA and received an email saying I just lost my 19th Amendment. I guess I'll never have the right to vote as a woman.
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Originally Posted by Justice Blues
Let me tell you man, you do not know what you are missing. It is a real experience. Especially once the FBI HRT showed up. Maybe I should have shaved my beard.
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Eh, when i accepted the EULA i lost my right to assemble. No more model kits or IKEA furniture for me.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Eh, when i accepted the EULA i lost my right to assemble.
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I hope this is in the next Star Trek Movie.
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i laughed so hard i cried. i'd forgotten how insanely goofy the animated Star Trek was.|
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This is an unaltered shot from the actual show, right?
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Still would not be as ridiculous as the last one.
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
I hope this is in the next Star Trek Movie.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
i laughed so hard i cried. i'd forgotten how insanely goofy the animated Star Trek was.
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It wasn't perfect, but I have fond memories of watching it as a kid.
Okay, it was a little goofy.
Okay, it was a lot goofy.
Alright already, it was insanely goofy.
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Several episodes of the animated series had Uhura saving the day, she even had command of the ship at one point. It took several seasons of TNG before a woman was put in charge of the Enterprise. The show was goofy but it pushed boundaries just like original Trek.
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
Several episodes of the animated series had Uhura saving the day, she even had command of the ship at one point. It took several seasons of TNG before a woman was put in charge of the Enterprise. The show was goofy but it pushed boundaries just like original Trek.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Eh, when i accepted the EULA i lost my right to assemble. No more model kits or IKEA furniture for me.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
i laughed so hard i cried. i'd forgotten how insanely goofy the animated Star Trek was.
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The Slaver Weapon was written by Larry Niven. Introducing the Kzinti to the ST universe. They were then taken and seriously warped in Star Fleet Battles. The designers kept insisting that the animated stuff wasn't canon in their universe but never did explain how they got to use the Kzinti without including The Slaver Weapon.
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Oh darn it all to heck, I just logged in, accepted the EULA and then was alerted to the fact that I lost my right to party.
Well... what can I do? Fight for my right to party? Like that'll happen.
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Also: the Star Trek animated series was just added to Netflix instant if you are so inclined.
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My favorite episode too.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
My favorite episode was the Slaver Weapon one.
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Fun trivia: it's the only episode of the original or animated series that has neither Captain Kirk nor the Enterprise in it.
Was interesting years later to read the Larry Niven short story that episode was based on, to compare and contrast.
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It was added a while ago, so I took a stroll down memory lane and watched a few recently. That's why Bem up there was on my mind. If it wasn't for that, my response to "Eh, when i accepted the EULA i lost my right to assemble" would have been:|
Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
Also: the Star Trek animated series was just added to Netflix instant if you are so inclined.
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