Doctor Who: The Girl Who Waited 10/9 (9/10)
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Posted on: 2011-09-10 24:09 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
So much better than last week.
Seriously Who-makers, when you have to make a cheapo episode, do it like this one. Come up with a nifty time trick, stick your main characters in a box and let them work their way out of it.
Psychological thrillers are so vastly more entertaining than the ham-handed, "Please, won't somebody think of the CHILDREN?!" shows.
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Rory stole the show with this episode, I think. He's been one of my favourite things of Eleven!Doctor Who. Really enjoyed the episode, though I need to keep away from the official Facebook page, the comments sometimes make my brain scream.
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Rory is easily my favourite companion of all time.
He had two absolutely outstanding moments, the first was his anger at the Doctor not taking any precautions.
"That's not how I travel."
"Then I don't want to travel with you!"
and
"You're trying to turn me into you!" at seeing the Doctor give him the impossible choice.
Over all, the Doctor was almost borderline evil in this episode.
He condemns Amy to over 40 years alone, then to fix the problem, he lies to her, trips her at the last hurdle and finally forces her boyfriend to choose to erase her from reality.
36.
I don't see how he "condemned" her to anything, it's not like he did it on purpose.
And he was right to do what he did. There was no way the two Amys could coexist. If he had just accepted Old Amy's refusal to change things then that would have been condemning Young Amy to 36 years of solitude.
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
I liked the character interaction and kick-but older Amy. The episode should have been called "Rory's Choice."
Though, we had more slow moving faceless/masked foes that kill on touch. Didn't we just have that last episode... again?
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What I was expecting for the ending was both Amy's to jump in the TARDIS at the same time and join bodies becoming one. So it would be young Amys body but both their memorys so in essence they would both be saved. Instead they went the completely different direction and BLEW MY MIND in a good way.
...miiiight have had a tiny sob at that ending. Forgot that timetravellers can remember all possible time streams too...
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Great episode. We've seen it a hundred times in time-travel stories where the heroes have to retcon everything to save the day. Everyone gets erased and re-written and no one is the wiser. This time around the writers asked the question 'What if the person getting erased becomes aware of their sacrifice?'
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On the one hand, I liked how old Amy knew Rory well enough to know that he'd not leave her and talked him out of it despite also not wanting to get left behind/erased. On the other, I missed the old TARDIS interior door more than ever.
I'm beginning to get the impression that the story arc they've left hanging isn't going to get resolved until a two-part finale that will end up feeling rushed as it ties up far too many loose ends with various hand-waving shenanigans.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
I liked the character interaction and kick-but older Amy. The episode should have been called "Rory's Choice."
Though, we had more slow moving faceless/masked foes that kill on touch. Didn't we just have that last episode... again? |
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
I liked the character interaction and kick-but older Amy. The episode should have been called "Rory's Choice."
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Originally Posted by Durakken
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"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
Excellent episode, but did anyone else spot the Doctor's comment "Sometimes knowing your own future is what enables you to change it, especially if you're bloody-minded, contradictory and completely unpredictable"?
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Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
Excellent episode, but did anyone else spot the Doctor's comment "Sometimes knowing your own future is what enables you to change it, especially if you're bloody-minded, contradictory and completely unpredictable"?
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I caught that, but Rory said "if you're Amy."
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Well of course, because in the context of what was happening that's exactly what he meant, but when has anything the Doctor said only had one meaning?
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Originally Posted by Samothrake
I caught that, but Rory said "if you're Amy."
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He could easily have avoided it happening at all.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
36.
I don't see how he "condemned" her to anything, it's not like he did it on purpose. |
To the Doctor, meh, what's 36 years?
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I pretty much agree with what everyone said above, a couple things that caught my eye here,
-really older Amy really did age well, more so than you would expect.
-After 36 years, she really did seem to develop a suprising amount of technical knowledge, more so than you would think.
-I also saw a little bit of the 7th Doctor in this episode( McCoys Doctor was one of my favorites)
-I'll also add, I think older Amy will become the eyepatch lady, since we know the Doctor lies, we can't be certian the reason he didn't let her in, was paradox, or some other reason.
But overall a very good episode.
My only real issue is that we have this advanced planet under medical isolation, that can't tell when a non-native accidently gets into the system
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I don't think so, she wasn't bitter and angry at the end, she seemed calm and accepting, not the kind of person who would wage a war across time and space to destroy the Doctor. Plus, she was either killed by the bots attempting to "care" for her and/or erased from time when the TARDIS left...and why would she use her own daughter as a weapon against him?|
Originally Posted by Wooden_Replica
-I'll also add, I think older Amy will become the eyepatch lady, since we know the Doctor lies, we can't be certian the reason he didn't let her in, was paradox, or some other reason.
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yeah i was expecing a combination of youth and experience for a more kick *** Amy for the future, but I was expecting it when thyey brought the two into the same time stream
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
What I was expecting for the ending was both Amy's to jump in the TARDIS at the same time and join bodies becoming one. So it would be young Amys body but both their memorys so in essence they would both be saved. Instead they went the completely different direction and BLEW MY MIND in a good way.
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
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So he should have known that Amy would push the wrong button and be stuck alone for 36 years? It's as much Rory's fault as his, Rory was the one who didn't specify which button (and the Doctor probably just wasn't listening).
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
He could easily have avoided it happening at all.
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"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
Or, as Rory pointed out, check to see if the ENTIRE PLANET was in quarantine or anything.
Amy Pond, Time Ninja, with her sonic probe.
Great episode.
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Still doesn't mean he did it on purpose or was careless. He made a mistake. It happens, even if you are 900+ years old (hmm...or maybe 1200+ by now? there's some unaccounted-for time between A Good Man Goes To War and Let's Kill Hitler).
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Originally Posted by Zikar
Or, as Rory pointed out, check to see if the ENTIRE PLANET was in quarantine or anything.
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"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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The Doctor should have been paying attention. He shouldn't have split the party, he should have checked the Tardis history files to determine what was going on before venturing forth. He should have brought the Tardis to the right time when entering the accelerated timestream, he should have checked how much time had passed before sending out Rory.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
So he should have known that Amy would push the wrong button and be stuck alone for 36 years? It's as much Rory's fault as his, Rory was the one who didn't specify which button (and the Doctor probably just wasn't listening).
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This is all perfectly in character for the Doctor. He has been irresponsible, careless, feckless, reckless, and needlessly endangering his companions since he sabotaged the Tardis fuel link in order to investigate the Dalek city.
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I thought this was a cracking episode. Very sad.
The question is, in that situation, what would you do? What COULD you do?