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Doctor Who: The Girl Who Waited 10/9 (9/10)

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By Casual_Player,
Posted on: 2011-09-10 24:09 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture

 

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Ending disappointed me. I expected that when the Doctor said he had a plan to save them both, it would be a little more inspiring than "Lie and lock Older!Amy outside the TARDIS", rule #1 notwithstanding.
Yeah...right...like the Doctor would ever really jetison the karaoke bar.

 

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If you think that Adric was the only companion that was put in danger due to the Doctors absentmindedness, the TARDIS's unpredictability, and their own carelessness then you aren't very familiar with the show.
No, Adric was far from the only one. But as this was one of the few occasions that led to a fatality, I thought I would cite it as an example.

Although ending up married to Brian Blessed is arguably worse...

Under RTD we rarely saw any of the Doctor's flaws, but with the Moff, we see a more flawed Doctor.

In this case, I think it's important. This episode suggests that the Doctor could rescue the infant Melody Pond and return her to her parents. However, if he did this River Song would never exist, and he wouldn't get his big romance. Thus, he is acting entirely selfishly. Which is, of course, part of the trap.

Also, how do we know the facility couldn't detect and adapt to human biology? Only because the Doctor says so. Which was probably nothing more than a guess. The Doctor has been wrong before...

Sixty year old alternative Amy might be even more peeved if she discovers she spent 36 years needlessly hiding...

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I didn't really care much for the episode as I felt that Amy was out of character. Her blaming the Doctor and being so bitter doesn't seem to fit with how she thinks.

Also magically finding the ability to cobble together a sonic screwdriver was pretty ridiculous.

Personally I preferred the one from the week before.

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I didn't really care much for the episode as I felt that Amy was out of character. Her blaming the Doctor and being so bitter doesn't seem to fit with how she thinks.

Also magically finding the ability to cobble together a sonic screwdriver was pretty ridiculous.

Personally I preferred the one from the week before.
She had 30 something years of time to kill and a vast computer library at her disposal. There was nothing magical about it.

 

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I didn't really care much for the episode as I felt that Amy was out of character. Her blaming the Doctor and being so bitter doesn't seem to fit with how she thinks.
Really? You don't think being alone, fighting for your life for 30+ years might jade one's views or cause psychological problems?

 

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Really? You don't think being alone, fighting for your life for 30+ years might jade one's views or cause psychological problems?
Heck, I'm wondering how the supposed hospital would leave her alone for 36 years, but that's just me.

But yes, I suppose older Amy was crazy, and that's why she was bitter as all get out. Of course then one might ask oneself why would that bitter Amy not want a reset if, as she said, he life for those 36 years was pure hell.

Nonetheless I didn't care for the episode.

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She had 30 something years of time to kill and a vast computer library at her disposal. There was nothing magical about it.
Fabrication and parts are not as simple as one might imagine. Amy has all the technical expertise of your average strip O gram. I greatly like Amy, but suddenly showing amazing aptitude for making a basically omni device capable of whatever is needed at the time was over the top for me.

No tools, no analysis equipment, no prior expertise, and yet she throws together a plot magic device. Sorry, I don't buy that one.

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Also, how do we know the facility couldn't detect and adapt to human biology?
Simply because the facility was designed to be automated and in the 36 years Amy was there it didn't adapt. Also since Amy was able to use that time to learn how to build her own Sonic Probe she also had plenty of time to learn if the facility could adapt to human biology and activate it if it was dormant.

 

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Fabrication and parts are not as simple as one might imagine. Amy has all the technical expertise of your average strip O gram. I greatly like Amy, but suddenly showing amazing aptitude for making a basically omni device capable of whatever is needed at the time was over the top for me.

No tools, no analysis equipment, no prior expertise, and yet she throws together a plot magic device. Sorry, I don't buy that one.
Actually, on that planet it appears she had plenty of tools as the planet that could fabricate anything she needed. The robots weren't transported, they were created on the spot, same as the bushes in the garden, same as her sword.

 

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Fabrication and parts are not as simple as one might imagine. Amy has all the technical expertise of your average strip O gram. I greatly like Amy, but suddenly showing amazing aptitude for making a basically omni device capable of whatever is needed at the time was over the top for me.

No tools, no analysis equipment, no prior expertise, and yet she throws together a plot magic device. Sorry, I don't buy that one.
You are also overlooking that she had the facility computer at her beck and call to help educate her and explain how to make her sonic probe, and lots of hi-tech robots and god knows what else technology to get parts from.

 

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Fabrication and parts are not as simple as one might imagine. Amy has all the technical expertise of your average strip O gram. I greatly like Amy, but suddenly showing amazing aptitude for making a basically omni device capable of whatever is needed at the time was over the top for me.

No tools, no analysis equipment, no prior expertise, and yet she throws together a plot magic device. Sorry, I don't buy that one.
37 years is not "sudden" aptitude.

You seem to be not grasping how much time elapsed.

 

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37 years is not "sudden" aptitude.

You seem to be not grasping how much time elapsed.
I am capable of listening, so I do grasp the time.

With nobody to train you except a computer which doesn't necessarily have the information, and you need to hack first, it's not a cake walk.

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Actually, on that planet it appears she had plenty of tools as the planet that could fabricate anything she needed. The robots weren't transported, they were created on the spot, same as the bushes in the garden, same as her sword.
I don't recall it being stated that the robots were made on the spot. I could well have missed that.

Fabricating a sword and making a sonic screwdriver are about as comparable as knapping flint tools vs. making a sportscar.

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I am capable of listening, so I do grasp the time.

With nobody to train you except a computer which doesn't necessarily have the information, and you need to hack first, it's not a cake walk.
Ok, so you are making the assumption that the computer might not have the knowledge. Considering the Computer knows about the Time splitters in the engine, we can make more of an extrapolation that it is more likely the computer would have that information.

Now consider how easily a human can learn something, especial when there is nothing to distract them. You can see it all the time in modern society, especially with how fast technology improves or is created in this day and age.

The tools for us to go to the Moon were created in under 10 years from scratch.

Now a computer that can recreate the gardens and other things like it does, plus be able to keep the split time streams. Now add on that Amy said she had figured out how to get the computer to give her any and all information she wanted, that definitely would fall under your hacking statement.

As far as the episode goes, I have some theories as to what they are doing with the this one and the prior one to set up for the finale and how they fit into the overall storyarc of the season, and most of it seems to be with the Doctor's relationship with others and his persona.

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Ok, so you are making the assumption that the computer might not have the knowledge. Considering the Computer knows about the Time splitters in the engine, we can make more of an extrapolation that it is more likely the computer would have that information.

Basically this comes down to your set of assumptions vs. my set of assumptions. Mine is that the computer is basically a guide to the hospital. It's not a universal library. I don't recall it being described so broadly. The show was a psychological exercise, and I didn't even much care for that aspect. I felt Amy was out of character.

However one certainly we do face is that neither side can really prove their case. It's all about what the author wanted, and that's it. I didn't care for it, and it's about equally likely that you will convince me to like strawberry ice cream (which I don't).

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Mine is that the computer is basically a guide to the hospital. It's not a universal library. I don't recall it being described so broadly.
Part of the computer's job was to keep the patients occupied and entertained for (relative) decades at a time. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that would include educating them about various subjects, and providing them with hobbies to tinker with.

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The show was a psychological exercise, and I didn't even much care for that aspect. I felt Amy was out of character.
I think 36 years of isolation, abandonment, and fear would drive anyone to extremes. Note that once she's reunited with Rory, she starts to come back around: "I'd forgotten how much I loved this..." And ultimately, she does agree to let her timeline be undone. Her initial reluctance is reminiscent of the 10th Doctor's fear of regeneration: "Some new man goes sauntering away... and I'm dead."

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Simply because the facility was designed to be automated and in the 36 years Amy was there it didn't adapt. Also since Amy was able to use that time to learn how to build her own Sonic Probe she also had plenty of time to learn if the facility could adapt to human biology and activate it if it was dormant.
How would you know, without getting injected?

Those injections might have been perfectly safe all along.

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The sonic probe was in the story just to demonstrate her rejection of the Doctor by naming it a 'probe' instead of a 'screwdriver'. It had no purpose beyond that. It was used three times in the story:
1. To reset the robots' black box to report 'accident' rather than 'vandalism'. And this was done purely to alert the Doctor/Rory/the audience, that she *had* one.
2. Unlock a door that previously wasn't locked. (At least I heard the sonic noise before she led Rory into the time engine area.)
3. Have something unspecified to do with boosting the sonic screwdriver Rory was using.

So, it's really just a signpost on the social/mental condition of Amy. As such, I think it could have been written better.

 

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How would you know, without getting injected? Those injections might have been perfectly safe all along.
Not according to the writers. I'll take their word over a disgruntled fan any day of the week.

 

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Amy's a cow! Rory waited for her for 2000 years, and she's whinging over a mere 36? Really?

Jokes aside, I loved this episode.

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Not according to the writers. I'll take their word over a disgruntled fan any day of the week.
I'm not disgruntled, I loved this episode, and a love a darker, more flawed Doctor than the messiah that RTD gave us.

I am just speculating about why Amy kills the Doctor...

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Your not part of continental Europe, but being only 21 miles away at the Straight(s) (can never remember if it's straight or straights) of Dover, the English are close enough for me to be included in the European community. No offense intended.
Thats like calling Canadians American. Technically the continent of America so yeah, but also so amazingly wrong.

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In this case, I think it's important. This episode suggests that the Doctor could rescue the infant Melody Pond and return her to her parents. However, if he did this River Song would never exist, and he wouldn't get his big romance. Thus, he is acting entirely selfishly. Which is, of course, part of the trap.
No, the episode stated specific reasons why it was possible in this situation, why the normal rules of "having met the later version fixed it for your time line" didn't apply. Which was the massive numbers of time lines coexisting on top of each other and the fall out from the temporal engines.

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Rory stole the show with this episode, I think. He's been one of my favourite things of Eleven!Doctor Who.
Indeed. I am a big fan.

This weekend just gone I took my lady to the Globe Theatre and we watched Arthur playing Mephistopheles in Doctor Faustus. He, and the rest of the cast, were bloody marvelous

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Thats like calling Canadians American. Technically the continent of America so yeah, but also so amazingly wrong.




So much for being wrong.

Oh and BTW, Canadians are North Americans. You seem to be confusing nationality with geographic location.