Doctor Who: The Girl Who Waited 10/9 (9/10)
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Posted on: 2011-09-10 24:09 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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This time, he endangerd *himself* too. This plague was fatal to Time Lords. What if he'd landed pretty much anywhere else on the planet except inside a sterile facility?|
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
This is all perfectly in character for the Doctor. He has been irresponsible, careless, feckless, reckless, and needlessly endangering his companions. |
For that matter, the planet was supposedly the #2 tourist destination in the entire Universe. Their health system should be _very_ familiar with aliens.
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Maybe that is why they are #2. Not taking the proper needs of certain aliens would reduce their ranking.
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Originally Posted by ThugOne
This time, he endangerd *himself* too. This plague was fatal to Time Lords. What if he'd landed pretty much anywhere else on the planet except inside a sterile facility?
For that matter, the planet was supposedly the #2 tourist destination in the entire Universe. Their health system should be _very_ familiar with aliens. |
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Nothing wrong with endangering yourself.|
Originally Posted by ThugOne
This time, he endangerd *himself* too.
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| This plague was fatal to Time Lords. What if he'd landed pretty much anywhere else on the planet except inside a sterile facility? |
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I think I'm probably more familiar with Doctor Who than most of the other people, since I've been watching it since around 1973.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
If you think that then you obviously aren't that familiar with Doctor Who or how unpredictable the TARDIS is on a good day.
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The Doctor hasn't let the the Tardis unpredictability prevent him from needlessly endangering his companions time and time again. Heard of Adric?
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Ending disappointed me. I expected that when the Doctor said he had a plan to save them both, it would be a little more inspiring than "Lie and lock Older!Amy outside the TARDIS", rule #1 notwithstanding.
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Also, given that not long ago the TARDIS was able to sustain a large chunk of the human race travelling millions of years back along their own time line to massively alter their own past on the whim of The Master, I feel that the argument that it couldn't sustain two Amys at the same time a little weak |
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
Ending disappointed me. I expected that when the Doctor said he had a plan to save them both, it would be a little more inspiring than "Lie and lock Older!Amy outside the TARDIS", rule #1 notwithstanding.
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The Master had spent considerable time and resources converting the TARDIS to be able to do that though and it was all undone once his additions were destroyed.
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Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
Also, given that not long ago the TARDIS was able to sustain a large chunk of the human race travelling millions of years back along their own time line to massively alter their own past on the whim of The Master, I feel that the argument that it couldn't sustain two Amys at the same time a little weak
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Originally Posted by Zikar
The Master had spent considerable time and resources converting the TARDIS to be able to do that though and it was all undone once his additions were destroyed.
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The Doctor's TARDIS was cannibalized and turned into a Paradox Machine by the Master after he stole it from the Tenth Doctor. He then used it to allow the Toclafane invasion of 2008 Earth. The paradox machine was eventually damaged by Captain Jack Harkness with an assault rifle. The destruction of the machine reversed time to the point that it was activated, undoing everything that had occurred since then. While those within range of the machine on the Valiant remembered the timeline, for the rest of the universe it had never happened. |
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If you think that Adric was the only companion that was put in danger due to the Doctors absentmindedness, the TARDIS's unpredictability, and their own carelessness then you aren't very familiar with the show.|
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
I think I'm probably more familiar with Doctor Who than most of the other people, since I've been watching it since around 1973.
The Doctor hasn't let the the Tardis unpredictability prevent him from needlessly endangering his companions time and time again. Heard of Adric? |
Your so hot to blame everything on the Doctor you've overlooked the simple fact that Amy herself could have prevented the whole scenario from occurring by simply asking Rory which button they pressed.
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Oh I know, my point was simply that the TARDIS clearly *is* capable of sustaining a far more substantial paradox and thus in principle could be quite capable of sustaining the one they were shooting for in this episode.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
The Master had spent considerable time and resources converting the TARDIS to be able to do that though and it was all undone once his additions were destroyed.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
The Master had spent considerable time and resources converting the TARDIS to be able to do that though and it was all undone once his additions were destroyed.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
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Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
Oh I know, my point was simply that the TARDIS clearly *is* capable of sustaining a far more substantial paradox and thus in principle could be quite capable of sustaining the one they were shooting for in this episode.
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Not without being cannibalized to the point that it no longer functions as a TARDIS.
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fixt, I'm Canadian |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
It's really sad when North Americans know more about an iconic European show than the Europeans do.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
fixt, I'm Canadian
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I thought all Canadians ever did was drink beer, watch hockey and <bleep> about French Canadians.
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That was interesting and sad.
Now the curious thing is this. What if The Doctor did something like that to himself deliberately? Ie created two of himself in the time stream? One of the things I find interesting about his death is that the only TARDIS we ever see is with the younger Doctor and not the older one. I'm pretty certain that this episode showed us a way that Moffet can get out of the interesting trap he wrote himself at the start of the season.
Mind you there are probably other ways out but it is interesting.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
It's really sad when Americans know more about an iconic European show than the Europeans do.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
fixt, I'm Canadian
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As it was getting towards the end of the show, I was fully expecting Rory to somehow be in two times at once, and for one to stay with older Amy. Along with a post-Tardis scene of that pair, happy and even older in their little hideaway.
The ending we got instead was sad. But I liked it.
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Your not part of continental Europe, but being only 21 miles away at the Straight(s) (can never remember if it's straight or straights) of Dover, the English are close enough for me to be included in the European community. No offense intended.|
Originally Posted by Zikar
And I'm English
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Had I meant to be offensive I'd have said Belgium several times.
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I had similar hopes for a double of Rory, only I wished to see him as The Lone Centurion staying by older Amy's side right up to where they ceased to exist.
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Originally Posted by StormSurvivor
As it was getting towards the end of the show, I was fully expecting Rory to somehow be in two times at once, and for one to stay with older Amy. Along with a post-Tardis scene of that pair, happy and even older in their little hideaway.
The ending we got instead was sad. But I liked it. |
I thought you thought I was American.
Just got done watching. Was thinking it'd be either the double Rory idea or the merged Amy idea. Actually the latter could have been interesting. Older Amy had a lot of baggage and hostility toward the Doctor. Had that been imbued in younger Amy, it might have been several interesting episodes watching her work through her jaded emotions trying to jettison them. Rory, of course, would have been by her "constant as the North Star".
Also, I'm very impressed with the makeup crew's efforts in creating older Amy. Usually, when I see a TV actor play an older character, there's some minor visibilty in what is latex and makeup, and a suspension of belief is in order. With Karen, it appeared authentic. I did think the hair should have greyed or whitened due to age and stress.
With the exception of Sarah Jane Smith, I can't think of any other companions I've liked as much as the current trio of companions (River included). Rory is amazing. That's 3 times now he's put the Doctor in his place. (the original being the you're-dangerous-because-you-make-companions-want-to-take-risks speech) Not an easy thing to do, considering the Time Lord is considered by a large part of the universe as the most dangerous being in it. I am saddened though that as soon as young Amy awoke they wrote Rory as if his two sharp comments to the Doctor never happened. Something as dramatic as this episode was for the companions should have lasting effects seen in future episodes. Especially regarding trust.
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To be honest I didn't think about it at all. I just noticed that it was the players with the _EU that seemed to be unfamiliar with the show, and I couldn't resist needling them.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
I thought you thought I was American.
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This is all perfectly in character for the Doctor. He has been irresponsible, careless, feckless, reckless, and needlessly endangering his companions since he sabotaged the Tardis fuel link in order to investigate the Dalek city.