The impossible to solo character.
By
Amy_Amp,
Posted on: 2011-09-03 16:37 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
I got it..
You only have 1 power that is rated to do damage by using it and that is your first power mesmerize. After that no attacks are rated for damage and you are not actually hurting anyone personally. They might hurt each other but your not actually doing it.
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Level 48 Natural Controller
Primary Power Set: Mind Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Medicine
Ancillary Pool: Ice Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Mesmerize -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Transfusion -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Siphon Power -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Repel -- Empty(A)
Level 6: Confuse -- Empty(A)
Level 8: Mass Hypnosis -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Siphon Speed -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Telekinesis -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Fly -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Increase Density -- Empty(A)
Level 18: Total Domination -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Speed Boost -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Hover -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Assault -- Empty(A)
Level 28: Inertial Reduction -- Empty(A)
Level 30: Tactics -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Mass Confusion -- Empty(A)
Level 35: Transference -- Empty(A)
Level 38: Fulcrum Shift -- Empty(A)
Level 41: Aid Other -- Empty(A)
Level 44: Aid Self -- Empty(A)
Level 47: Hibernate -- Empty(A)
Level 49: Frozen Armor -- Empty(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- Empty(A)
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives
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The important part of the story here is that they were apparently counting "who gets credit for the kill", which is not the same as "who can kill faster" or even "who is doing the most damage". That, and the blaster was opening up with the AoE, not closing, but mostly the two characters with lots of AoE powers were getting credit for most of the kills. Not really surprising, but it doesn't necessarily say anything about who could solo the mission the fastest. (Not the earth/rad, in case anyone's wondering. |
Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
A Earth/rad has no business killing at the same speed a Fire/fire scrapper does.
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Been some good ideas here! It's an interesting problem, I think, which is why I started the topic.
Ok. It's obvious that there's a lot of issues with trying to garner 0 DMG. Fair enough. So... perhaps, as the character levels up past, oh, 20 or so, there is a small amount of damage allowed... perhaps through a storyline of 'mixing' powers or other retcon type story.
I don't much like changing rules, but maybe it'll help further build ideas... so, if it helps, simply minimize the damage output so that the character is still rather completely dependent upon a team to get XP, but contributes very well to the team's efforts by debuffing or buffing or healing or what have you.
The character then can take a potshot or two, but it still 'gimped', as it were, without being on a team, where their talents shine and make the team just that much more awesome.
I like the last two builds though, very nice. Ice/Kin, eh? I went Ice/Rad, but I think I like the Kin one better. 
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I was actually thinking mind/kin as well. The trick is to make sure it its slotted well for ally assistance but doesn't have credible damage. Technically, powerful confuses mean the build isn't *completely ineffective* outside of teaming, but without damage it also can't really solo, because it would have a heck of a time earning any XP.|
Originally Posted by plainguy
I got it..
You only have 1 power that is rated to do damage by using it and that is your first power mesmerize. After that no attacks are rated for damage and you are not actually hurting anyone personally. They might hurt each other but your not actually doing it. |
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Solo the vast majority of your XP would be from mission completions. Doable, but agonizingly slow. Close enough to impossible to solo for me. It's certainly a character i wouldn't be inclined to play since i generally like to solo a good part of the time.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I was actually thinking mind/kin as well. The trick is to make sure it its slotted well for ally assistance but doesn't have credible damage. Technically, powerful confuses mean the build isn't *completely ineffective* outside of teaming, but without damage it also can't really solo, because it would have a heck of a time earning any XP.
I wouldn't solo it, but it would definitely contribute strongly to teams, while basically dealing zero damage (so long as you stay away from Mesmerize). |
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I'm going to go with mind control/force field troller.
You don't do anything for damage. No pets even. The best part is even if you can do a little insignificant amount of damage, it breaks your controls and probably does knockback, bouncing mobs all over, possibly getting you more aggro than you can cope with.
On a team though, you bring a massive amount of control plus casting enough defense to give everyone a pretty much always on barrier. Can't heal really but who needs healing if they don't get hit?
The devs are putting in an archetype IO that rocks the aura as a proc. Maybe we can ask for the devs to take that whole concept to its logical endpoint and add an IO that removes all damage from powers?
I have a Stone(Read:Granite)/Ice Tanker who mostly just uses Taunt, Frost, Frozen Aura and Mud Pots for aggro, generally slotted so they're up as often as possible without many endurance issues. Otherwise he's using the Medicine Pool, Ice Patch and 2 ST holds to help support the team, really effective in a team low on support or fighting something tougher than usual but really bad solo because of the choice slotting and Ice's inherantly lowish damage, really bad DPE too.
I have toyed with the idea of an Emp/Dark Defender who slots their attacks for -tohit and recharge then getting the -dam Interface for a full support character.
I am the Blaster, I have filled the role of Tank, Controller and Defender
Sometimes all at once.
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I'm gonna ignore a part of the OPs request and throw out a TA/AR Defender. At least through lvl 42 is pretty un-solo-able, but is awesome on teams. No defense whatsoever, but grabs aggro by the ton. With no team, faceplant city. With a team, horrible burning death (and debuff) machine.
So, if the critical point of the OPs post was pacifist, my suggestion totally isn't the answer. If the critical point is it's a Jekyll and Hyde solo to team alt, as the Title of the thread indicates, then I have a strong candidate..
I'll be slotting out Scorpion Shield and going to IOs soon, though, so I hope that changes some..
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Wow.. talking about redraw issues. (gun, mace, bow, non-weapon).
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Originally Posted by Madadh
I'm gonna ignore a part of the OPs request and throw out a TA/AR Defender. At least through lvl 42 is pretty un-solo-able, but is awesome on teams. No defense whatsoever, but grabs aggro by the ton. With no team, faceplant city. With a team, horrible burning death (and debuff) machine.
I'll be slotting out Scorpion Shield and going to IOs soon, though, so I hope that changes some.. |
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Redraw isn't the problem; squishie is. But, I'm only taking the ScorpShield from Mace, so that doesn't really add to the mix.
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Originally Posted by SinergyX_EU
Wow.. talking about redraw issues. (gun, mace, bow, non-weapon).
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I'd say Psi/Emp troller is about as weaksause as you can be solo wise without INTENTIONALLY building to be a lame attack character.
You have almost no self buffs other then regen/recovery, no pets, only mediocre debuff inherent in psy, most of Psy control does zero damage with it's holds (easily the lowest direct damage troller set). In short you'll have almost no way to kill anything at all.
Furthermore, you'll be a massive asset to a team; everyone loves an emp. and an emp who has a lot of mez holds is even better. You'd be a power multiplier, and a team supporter from the word "go"; and would be completely worthless in a straight up solo fight.
Mind Control has damage in all of their ST attacks except confuse (and confuses increase damage, if indirectly, and significantly raises experience gains in low damage situations).
Before epics, Mind does much better damage than Earth or Ice.
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Originally Posted by Sprite Fire
I'd say Psi/Emp troller is about as weaksause as you can be solo wise without INTENTIONALLY building to be a lame attack character.
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here... just for fun... threw together the mind/emp i was thinking about. Granted, there is some damage here but it's pretty weaksause all things considered. With different slotting you probably could take this up to softcaps in s/l; or get up into perm haste territory (it's not far off it)
understand this was built with the OP's intention in mind. Pacifist who doesn't want to hurt people, who can't solo for squat, but is a huge team player. This is about as good as i can do on the fly without building something insanely nerfed. The only 2 damage abilities i take after level 1 is Terrify and Boxing. Terrify because it's a sick/sweet hold, is just too good to pass up, even if it hurts people it's damage is pretty low when not slotted for damage. Where as boxing was needed to get tough/weave
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Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Mind Control
Secondary Power Set: Empathy
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Ice Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Mesmerize -- CSndmn-Acc/Rchg(A), CSndmn-EndRdx/Sleep(5), CSndmn-Acc/EndRdx(11), CSndmn-Sleep/Rng(17), CSndmn-Acc/Sleep/Rchg(48)
Level 1: Healing Aura -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal(11), Dct'dW-Rchg(34)
Level 2: Heal Other -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(3), Numna-Heal(17), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 4: Absorb Pain -- Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal(5), Numna-Heal/Rchg(15), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 6: Confuse -- CoPers-Conf(A), CoPers-Conf/Rchg(7), CoPers-Acc/Conf/Rchg(7), CoPers-Acc/Rchg(43), CoPers-Conf%(46)
Level 8: Hover -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(9), Zephyr-ResKB(15)
Level 10: Resurrect -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Mass Hypnosis -- FtnHyp-Sleep(A), FtnHyp-Sleep/Rchg(13), FtnHyp-Acc/Sleep/Rchg(13), FtnHyp-Acc/Rchg(39), FtnHyp-Sleep/EndRdx(40), FtnHyp-Plct%(42)
Level 14: Fly -- Flight-I(A)
Level 16: Clear Mind -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(37)
Level 18: Total Domination -- UbrkCons-Hold(A), UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg(19), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg(19), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg(37), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold(39)
Level 20: Fortitude -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(21), HO:Membr(21)
Level 22: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23), RechRdx-I(23)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(25), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(25), RedFtn-Def(31), RedFtn-EndRdx(31), LkGmblr-Rchg+(43)
Level 26: Terrify -- Abys-Acc/Rchg(A), Abys-EndRdx/Fear(27), Abys-Acc/EndRdx(27), Abys-Fear/Rng(40), Abys-Acc/Fear/Rchg(40)
Level 28: Recovery Aura -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(29), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(29), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(46)
Level 30: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(31)
Level 32: Tactics -- AdjTgt-ToHit(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(33), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(33), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(33), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(34)
Level 35: Regeneration Aura -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(36), Numna-Heal/Rchg(36), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 38: Boxing -- HO:Endo(A)
Level 41: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(42), S'fstPrt-ResKB(42)
Level 44: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(45), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45), RedFtn-Def(45), RedFtn-EndRdx(46), LkGmblr-Rchg+(48)
Level 47: Hibernate -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Frozen Armor -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50), LkGmblr-Def(50), LkGmblr-Rchg+(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(36), Mrcl-Rcvry+(48)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), P'Shift-End%(37)
Level 4: Ninja Run
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i've played pretty much every character build you can make. trollers/doms tend to be my fav of them all. I've killed people with all sorts of lame builds. I'm telling you, in the grand scheme of things, Mind control just doesn't bring the damage outside of indirect damage with confusion.
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Originally Posted by Talen Lee
You've never dominated someone to death.
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Then, speaking as someone with over two hundred levels of experience with mind, you play mind very badly and should not speak so authoritively about how the set performs.
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Originally Posted by Sprite Fire
i've played pretty much every character build you can make. trollers/doms tend to be my fav of them all. I've killed people with all sorts of lame builds. I'm telling you, in the grand scheme of things, Mind control just doesn't bring the damage outside of indirect damage with confusion.
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Fail: Level 50 Natural Peacebringer
Primary Power Set: Luminous Blast
Secondary Power Set: Luminous Aura
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Concealment
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Gleaming Bolt -- DefDeb-I(A)
Level 1: Incandescence -- Aegis-Psi/Status(A), Aegis-ResDam(3), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(3)
Level 2: Shining Shield -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(5), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 4: Essence Boost -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(7), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Numna-Heal/Rchg(9), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 6: Aid Other -- IntRdx-I(A), IntRdx-I(11), Numna-Heal(11), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(13), Numna-Heal/Rchg(13), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(15)
Level 8: Stimulant -- IntRdx-I(A), IntRdx-I(33), IntRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(48), RechRdx-I(48), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 10: Thermal Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(34), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 12: Maneuvers -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Run+(15), GftotA-Def(17), GftotA-Def/Rchg(17)
Level 14: Quantum Shield -- ImpArm-ResPsi(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 16: Group Energy Flight -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(36), Zephyr-ResKB(37), Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng(37), Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng/EndRdx(37), Winter-ResSlow(40)
Level 18: Pulsar -- Stpfy-Stun/Rng(A), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(19), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(19), Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(21), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg(21), Stpfy-KB%(31)
Level 20: Aid Self -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Mrcl-EndRdx/Rchg(50), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(50), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(50)
Level 22: Reform Essence -- Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(A), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(23), Numna-Heal(31)
Level 24: Conserve Energy -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 26: Glowing Touch -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(27), Numna-Heal(27), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(29), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(31)
Level 28: Quantum Flight -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 30: Quantum Acceleration -- Flight-I(A)
Level 32: Resuscitate -- IntRdx-I(A), IntRdx-I(33), Numna-Heal(34), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(36), Numna-Heal/Rchg(46), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 35: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(36)
Level 38: Tactics -- AdjTgt-ToHit(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(39), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(39), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(39), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(40), AdjTgt-Rchg(40)
Level 41: Vengeance -- Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(42), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 44: Grant Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(45), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(45)
Level 47: Light Form -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Restore Essence -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Cosmic Balance
Level 1: Energy Flight -- Flight-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 10: Combat Flight -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(43), RgnTis-Regen+(45)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(42), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(43), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(43)
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Weak. Could not solo many missions. However, would not be a bad teammate at all. Beats any of these Mind builds with their confuse that would allow people to solo most of the game.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Kingkillaha
You made an impossible to solo character for sure, but I dont see it being useful on a team.
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Exactly. It's useless on teams, therefore most are going to dump it and force it to solo. But it really CAN'T solo. So, up **** Creek.
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make A shield tank.skip shield charge.grab leadership, medicine, presence, stealth pools instead of secondary s powers. Maybe even tp friend.
Max taunt, personal defenses, grant cover, leaderships....you'll be useful on teams....with only brawl and secondary attack soloing would be agonizing.
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Would it be that hard to make a Mastermind that just so happens to be a complete pacifist? You have your buddies there to do the dirty work for you and all you do is support them and your allies.
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This always annoys me every time i see it. A complete pacifist would not help others inflict harm. They would do their best to make sure no one at all was hurt. Mahatma Gandhi was a pacifist. He would not have ever said "I will not shoot a gun, but I will reload, steady your aim, and try to lead your targets into a crossfire as long as I don't have to hurt them personally." That is not pacifism.|
Originally Posted by Psynder13
Would it be that hard to make a Mastermind that just so happens to be a complete pacifist? You have your buddies there to do the dirty work for you and all you do is support them and your allies.
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i think passivist is a better term for this. "I'm okay with violence as long as it's not against me and I don't have to inflict it myself."
The other terms that come to mind for people who will participate in taking down others as long as they themselves don't have to actually attack are mob boss and chickenshit.
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I don't have time to work up a build right now, but an Electric/Time Controller would be a good option. You get have one of the lowest damage control sets paired with a buff/debuff set that doesn't do much to boost your own damage, but you'll completely neuter any mob that gets near you while massively buffing your team.
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If you don't want attacks, better roll mastermind.