Not to mention how much easier the interwebs have made it to get through any continuity questions. When I got back into comics 4 years ago I had no problems looking up character and past references if I got really curious. I don't think it's continuity that drives away potential readers, it's when stories are tied up into multiple books that require a higher price-point to understand (and hopefully aren't contradictory between writers). That is to say, it's price and potentially bad story-telling that are the killers. The constant events which culminated to Brightest Day pushed me out of regular subscriptions.
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Not to mention how much easier the interwebs have made it to get through any continuity questions. When I got back into comics 4 years ago I had no problems looking up character and past references if I got really curious. I don't think it's continuity that drives away potential readers, it's when stories are tied up into multiple books that require a higher price-point to understand (and hopefully aren't contradictory between writers). That is to say, it's price and potentially bad story-telling that are the killers. The constant events which culminated to Brightest Day pushed me out of regular subscriptions.
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This is exactly why I stopped buying comics . I remember it quite clearly actually. It was when Marvel started the The Evolutionary War story arc. It was one of the first big event stories that had been done and Marvel went all out with it. I tried to keep up with all the issues that were needed to understand what the hell was going on, but I gave up when it started crossing over into books I didn't care about and couldn't afford anyway.
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I just skipped the books I didn't buy, and just kept to the ones I did. I see why they do the stories (try to get interrest in the other comics of course) but for me, it was "Don't like the character, not going to care to read their PoV on the story arc"
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This is exactly why I stopped buying comics . I remember it quite clearly actually. It was when Marvel started the The Evolutionary War story arc. It was one of the first big event stories that had been done and Marvel went all out with it. I tried to keep up with all the issues that were needed to understand what the hell was going on, but I gave up when it started crossing over into books I didn't care about and couldn't afford anyway.
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btw i mistook what the interview said Jason Todd was Robin and died as well...
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Whew! That's good to hear! I can pick it up then! It was one I was thinking of picking up (still have to wait till the 24th though for my comic books :/) So hopefully I can get ahold of all the ones I want.
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btw i mistook what the interview said Jason Todd was Robin and died as well...
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btw i mistook what the interview said Jason Todd was Robin and died as well...
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That's the real question.
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If they're rebooting then hopefully they fixed it to be "not really dead" or "Lazarus pit" or "Starfire found him dead and brought him back to life, and this is there answer to a Starfire/Robin pairing"
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This has been my view as well, and I think 'Blackest Night' was the only time I strayed from it (and am happy I did). However, if I had only purchased Blackest Night and Green Lantern I would have had no trouble following the main story. The other books expanded the story in different ways, but not in ways that were critical to the main story.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
I just skipped the books I didn't buy, and just kept to the ones I did. I see why they do the stories (try to get interrest in the other comics of course) but for me, it was "Don't like the character, not going to care to read their PoV on the story arc"
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Regarding the DCnU, after one week I am extremely pleased that comics are front-and-center in so many different conversations in so many different places. Its as if the struggling industry received a blood transfusion. Many old readers are checking in after extended absences, new readers are checking things out due to the buzz, and existing readers have much to talk about.
I believe (along with many others) that success / failure really can not be judged until we can tell how retail orders to Diamond look (and are trending) after the six-month mark. That said, the commitment DC is making to retailers with their various discounts / marketing efforts / expansion into digital (yup, this is helping) has gotten this relaunch off to a fantastic start.
On another website I ran across a great question, and one that really has me thinking. Where will the first Marvel book place in the September 2011 Diamond sales chart? Just something fun to ponder while DC shakes everything up over the next few weeks.
Go Team Venture!
Actually, I agree with Bob Chipman aka Movie Bob aka Game Overthinker...
Regardless of how much DCnU sucks has nothing to do with how good or bad this whole thing is going...
What IS causing all the buys is something that comics industry has pretty much forgotten how to do. It's called MARKETING. Publishers don't advertise and comics are only sold at specialty shops and comics are only advertised in other comics so noone in the outside world really know anything about them.
The books are selling well now because people have been advertised to. Future success will likely be based on the same thing and if DC stops advertising their comic sales will likely be dropped back to previous sales points or worse.
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Actually, I agree with Bob Chipman aka Movie Bob aka Game Overthinker...
Regardless of how much DCnU sucks has nothing to do with how good or bad this whole thing is going... What IS causing all the buys is something that comics industry has pretty much forgotten how to do. It's called MARKETING. Publishers don't advertise and comics are only sold at specialty shops and comics are only advertised in other comics so noone in the outside world really know anything about them. The books are selling well now because people have been advertised to. Future success will likely be based on the same thing and if DC stops advertising their comic sales will likely be dropped back to previous sales points or worse. |
I think it's more people just don't care to read anymore. Really. Having moved to a smaller town, I notice how the local bookstore has some problems staying in business because no one is buying, and when I talk to some people about books, they're like "What?! Read?!"
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You know, the worst thing about the DCnU is that it doesn't do what it set out to do in terms of story telling and such.
The comics don't introduce you to most of the characters, the universe, or anything else... They want to introduce all this stuff to new readers and they don't do that at all so all this "people won't get it less they read all the back issues and that's why we're rebooting" No one knows these characters or this universe and these comics don't do a good job at telling you who they are.
I saw this on PencilJack and it brought a smile to my face when I think of the new Batgirl... well the old one brought back.
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If they're rebooting then hopefully they fixed it to be "not really dead" or "Lazarus pit" or "Starfire found him dead and brought him back to life, and this is there answer to a Starfire/Robin pairing"
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Well I just finished reading Red Hood and the Outlaws and I am pissed as hell.
they have destroyed any sense of character that Starfire had, she has been reduced to some 10 year old's wet dream. A weapon of Mass destruction you can have sex with, and who will forget about it in the morning.
I don't think anything in this reboot has pissed me off as much as this book did.
*cries* Really!? They did what to Starfire?! No... No... No... Uhg! That's a definite slap in my face. Soooo done with DC. Done. Done. Annnnnn done. Should have let Timm take over, he would have shown everything respect. These writers and artists... Uhg! Over it! Flashpoint ended the DCU for me for good. And it's a shame because Static Shock is now one of the best books they have.
It's not that hard to figure out what characters are up to. It's just a matter of wanting to do a little footwork and asking other people what's going on and being willing to accept that sometimes you don't know everything that's going on right now.
Y'know, like everything else in the world. I don't expect that I'll ever know everything about every single character or story arc any more than, I'll ever figure out the unified field theory or get to know everybody that lives on the same block or apartment building that I live on/in.
To me, the best way to get into comics is to: Just jump in. That way, when you look around and have questions, you'll find other people to talk about these things with, rather than it being just a solitary pursuit. Just a matter of finding a community that likes talking about comics.