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Change is the one constant in comics. And so far DC has shown that the relaunch is a change for the better. Continuity may now be a bit convoluted or confusing, but the benefits of the relaunch outweigh that.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
I'll probably give my review of all 12 issues tomorrow or the next day... I'm finishing up Ultimate Fantastic Four and X-men today... I'm betting that i'll like 3-5 of the 12 and even if I like them I'll still be annoyed with the changes.
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Action, Detective, Animal Man and Batgirl are fantastic. Plus, every store in my area (Boston) has some type of sale on the books (buy 3 get 1 free for example). Good, new comics at a discount...it was like a breath of fresh air when I went into the shop!
DC is also raising public awareness of the relaunch (and comics in general) with their advertising campaign for floppies and digital. Not going to complain about that one bit.
Glad to see that someone had some cajones to shake up the status quo.
Go Team Venture!
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It was 1938. That kind of thing seemed like perfectly reasonable underdog-bucking-the-system behavior at the time. (This is particularly evident in the story about the fatcat mine owners, which was my personal favorite for "this made a lot more sense during the Depression than it does now" back in the days when we hadn't come back around to depression again.)
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Originally Posted by Durakken
he didn't so much as fight as he broke into the governors house, assaulted his employee, and pretty much forced the governor to let a prisoner free who had been sentenced to death legally... beat up a wife beater, stopped lois from maybe being kidnapped... and then listened in on a private conversation between government officials and then threatened a guy to "come clean" with who was "corrupting" the official...
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Originally Posted by BlackSun17
And so far DC has shown that the relaunch is a change for the better.
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I beg to differ.
With 52 universes now in the DC Multiverse, and as I recall not all of them have been classified as to what universe they are, instead of rebooting the mainstream universe they could have just put the mainstream on hiatus except for the bat books and GL and moved to one of the alternates for this. This whole "we must reboot...AGAIN!" is getting tiresome.
To be honest DC should save the next major cosmic reboot for if they lose the Superman rights since that is the only way to remove him from DCU. (not that they likely will lose the rights, they would likely make a settlement)
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I wonder if she is even going to recognize 'puddin' when she sees him again....and I mean that literally.
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Originally Posted by Cowman
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Go Team Venture!
Got this week:
Batgirl#1
-Really nice start to the new book. Gail took the changes in stride and really brought out why Babara is such a great character under her watch.
Hawk & Dove #1
-Nice intro issue, gets you up to speed with a bit of the back story, a twist with Dawn, Hank's issues being brought forth and the introduction of Condor at the end of the issue.
*Have to pick and choose titles because of budget, and don't want to go back to the $60+ a month I was shelling out, when I was actively collecting*
Batgirl #1: I thought this was a garanteed hit for me what with it being Barbara Gordon, Batgirl, and Gail Simone, but no the whole thing is trash and does a complete diservice to everything that came before as far as the character, both Batgirl and Barbara Gordon, what she hs come to symbolize (women's rights and handicap empowerment)... It does pay homage to 1 Batgirl though... the utter crap that shouldn't exist that turned the confident exubrant brave courageous Barbara Gordon... into a scared little girl who can't handle herself. Sorry, but this isn't the character anyone has know and always loved...
Side Note: It's mentioned that the joker incident happens 3 years ago which pretty much means CoIE happened 3 years ago. Dick could only have been Robin 2 years and Tim only a max of 3. Further a number of stories must be compressed beyond breaking and Birds of Prey seems to not have happened at all considering Barbara's Living conditions...
Men of War #1: Good book. Someone with more military and in particular served in Iraq would be better to say how acurate it is but it is a great platform for showing the DCU from the side of heroes...however I'm betting that this book will be Canceled in the first year or two.
Green Arrow #1: This is more or less just a Beat em up other than that It's meh. It rips off Smallville Ollie, takes away being public, removes the political activism, and intros a character that is like Chloe but isn't Chloe... they should have just introed Chloe since they've been trying to for years.
Batwing #1: This is more or less just a Beat em up other than that It's pretty much a bastardized version of an old Nightwing arc where he joins the police save it is set in Africa with a black character... who because the artist can draw black characters differently I can't tell the difference between any of the characters when they are out of costume.
Animal Man #1: I'm intrigued by what is happening but i'm also confused. It feels a lot like the movie "What dreams may come" inspired. It didn't wow me, but it's probably worth picking up the first arc or two to see how things go.
Swamp Thing #1: Another good book that is likely to be soon canceled. It started off good and didn't try to "sell" itself like a... well you get what I mean. I don't like the concept that much myself, but the whole book was well executed and it does a good job introducing the character rather than destroying everything that people love about the character or not introing them at all. It leaves you with a cliff hanger with clues as to what might be going wrong with things and it knows that we need to know about the character more than the "enemy" in this first issue. It also doesn't confuse us, the reader, and doesn't seem forced. Over all I'd say it's the best of 6 I've read so far with Men of War a close second followed by Animal Man in 3rd...
Side Note: Holland says he was revived 6 weeks ago placing the end of Brightest DAy 6 weeks ago...
I'll be reading the other 7 later tonight or tomorrow
Supergirl is my favorite DC comic character.
All of the Superman movies were on VHS tapes - not all together - and usually behind 2 other movies; no 8 year old is going to sit and wait and fast forward. Supergirl, however, was on her own VHS. It got watched a lot.
That being said;
Supergirl vs Math
From the reboot information page:
She’s got the unpredictable behavior of a teenager, the same powers as Superman – and none of his affection for the people of Earth. So don’t piss her off!
I really can't stand angtsy teenage Supergirl. I thought Kryptonians didn't have the immaturity problems that Earthlings did?
/end rant & thread hijack
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Hey it Witchblade! er..
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
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"And for us this is the end of all stories, and we can mostly say they lived happily ever after. But for them it was the beginning of the real story. All there life in this world and all there adventures in Narnia had only be the cover and the title page: now at last they were beginning Chapter One of The Great Story which no one on earth has ever read: which goes on forever: in which every chapter is better than the one before" - C.S Lewis, The Last Battle.
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
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Edit - As to Supergirl, didn't one of the bigwigs say he never wanted to see Supergirl's panties again? Yet they put her into a leotard. Not really seeing a whole lot of distinction there in the outcome of the costume.
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Sounds vaguely familiar.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Edit - As to Supergirl, didn't one of the bigwigs say he never wanted to see Supergirl's panties again? Yet they put her into a leotard. Not really seeing a whole lot of distinction there in the outcome of the costume.
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I prefer college age "teen" Supergirl than highschool "teen" Supergirl. I've also always liked the idea that Supergirl has the potential to be more powerful than Superman since she, unlike, never had to learn to restrain her strength.
Still. Her new costume blows. Especially the cape.
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I think Empowered said it best when it comes to females and the half-cape dealie.|
Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
Sounds vaguely familiar.
I prefer college age "teen" Supergirl than highschool "teen" Supergirl. I've also always liked the idea that Supergirl has the potential to be more powerful than Superman since she, unlike, never had to learn to restrain her strength. Still. Her new costume blows. Especially the cape. |
The cape isn't there for the purpose of a cape. It's there to hide their butts.
No, no, I hate the new collar of her cape.
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That's not the only thing wrong with her costume. As a reviewer somewhere pointed out, her belt and shorts shapes conspire to make a stylized heart shape.|
Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
No, no, I hate the new collar of her cape.
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On her crotch.
Why does she have Powergirl's haircut? Has Powergirl been 86'd?
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Edit - As to Supergirl, didn't one of the bigwigs say he never wanted to see Supergirl's panties again? Yet they put her into a leotard. Not really seeing a whole lot of distinction there in the outcome of the costume. |
So instead we get what amounts to a giant arrow pointing directly at her hoohaa. Yeah, that's so much better than panties.
It's a Kryptonian Chastity Belt.
Or deep, deep irony.
Upon examination of the picture, it doesn't even look like it's part of the shirt. It looks like it snaps on or otherwise attaches to the top. It would pretty much have to, wouldn't it? Since the neckline is right up against her throat. Unless all those lines indicate a modular uniform, which I don't know if that's better or worse.
DC's attempt at being current.
Continuing the full 13 #1 reviews...
Stormwarch #1: While I can't say anything negative about it as a book by itself I get the feeling that this is Jim Lee masturbating his ego. These guys say that Super heroes are "ameturs." That StormWatch has been around for centuries protecting earth. And they have Martian Manhunter pretty much use the term hero as a derogartory. Further even if you don't like this comic or where its going you will have to read it because this is now the center of the DCU rather than the JLA or GL or anything that is actually from the DC Comics.
Justice League International #1: Its the classic JLI mixed with the Ultimates... heck the guy who put it together even looks like Ultimate Marvel's Nick Fury without the eye patch. It's good some nice humor and I hope it develops well... but that doesn't stop it from being a rehash and a ripoff combined...
OMAC #1: HULK SMASH! I mean OMAC SMASH!!! An average book. It will likely be canceled within the year as anyone that likes this type of book likely already reads Hulk.
Hawk and Dove #1: Another below average book... The 2 have been working together for 3 or so years now and for some reason Hawk doesn't know there is a connection with Don and Dove nor are they cohessive unit even though they always been up to this point and assuming Brightest Day is cannon have been in any known cannon for this unverse... So all the issues they have make no sense... The first page was a cool play on the Hawk & Dove mythos though, tricking the reader into thinking one thing and then going a different direction. so below average writing and below average art... meh.
Action Comics #1: Superman acts to cocky/arrogant in this in my opinion. He doesn't yet have the power to fly. The big bad villain is seen as a good guy and the authorities don't into account the safety of the innocents thus demonizing authorities All the common tropes of the badly done hero mistrust storyline. There is no date indicating when this is taking place, Clark looks as young as Jimmy, and doesn't work at the same news paper. I'll give it a C... C-
Detective Comics #1: Good book. Not great, but good and against the back drop of that cavalcade of crap it looked better than it usually would. It's a classic quick Batman vs Joker story and establishes that Gotham cops are incompetent and don't trust Batman. Gordon however still works with him.
Side Note: This comic Establishes Joker's Origin as 6 years ago and assuming that Batman Year One is cannon and Joker's origins are tied to Batman it places Super heroes being around 7.5 years in current day DCU and Action Comics happens around 7.5 years ago rather than 5 years ago like is suspected... Otherwise Batman is the first Super Hero in cannon. This also places JLA forming in Y2 or 3 which is when they formed in the old cannon.
Static Shock #1: The writers do a decent job of introing the characters and the basic setting of the comic as well as the foe he's likely to face for the foreseeable future, but this seems to assumes you've watched the show Static Shock from the DCUA... If they told his origin story I think this would have been much better as a relaunch/reboot/new character...Its worth seeing where this goes.
btw I'm 161 issues from being completely caught up with Ultimate marvel... It's so far better ^.^
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hmmmmmmm.....
Haven't read comics in forever but picked up a few of the new titles on my iPad. Not bad, they seemed shorter than I remembered comics being but perhaps that's because of reading them digitally? *shrug*
Anyway, was thinking of just subscribing to a few but... err, is there a way to subscribe digitally, does anyone know? All in all I'm just looking to read them, not actually bother collecting the hard copies :P
Anyway, as I said, been out of the loop forever so this seemed like an interesting place to jump back in. Picked up about half the titles and so far they all seem like good decent reads... Probably helps that I was always more of a Marvel man and never too hung up on DC's continuity or such...
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Originally Posted by Hazmatter
The general public is wary or mistrustful of super-people at this point.
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Also: I hear that the reboot was an attempt to "appeal to younger readers who would be thrown off by seeing Batman #893"
Why is this just now a concern, as opposed to all of us who used to be a younger audience? For example, when I started reading comics, it was around Knightfall and The Death Of Superman. Well past 400 issues for both Superman and Batman. Not once did I feel left out because there were so many other back issues. Especially with the advent of the internet, which made what little problem I had with it go away.
Ugh. I'll go back to reading DC when they go back to the old universe.
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I'll probably give my review of all 12 issues tomorrow or the next day... I'm finishing up Ultimate Fantastic Four and X-men today... I'm betting that i'll like 3-5 of the 12 and even if I like them I'll still be annoyed with the changes.