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Hmmm.... Somebody must really like the game Brink



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"Andrew Ryan: I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well."


 

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Thats a typo. It's the new libertine island.


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Hmmm I bet he has a big chair and a fluffy white cat.


 

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You have successfully made me queasy, now to go yak.
Even worse, I now know what harlequin ichthyosis is thanks to the same link and some videos posted off to the side.



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"Andrew Ryan: I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well."
Oh, the Rogue Isles.



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Wouldnt it have been safer, cheaper and easier to just buy an island?
I don't think there are any islands purchasable that would:

1. Put you far enough away from the seller or other islands such that you can be considered truly in 'international waters'; and,

2. Won't be under water in two decades.


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Thing about these man-made islands is that they can essentially be like Atlantis in Stargate: Atlantis. Namely, you tether-anchor them down to the bottom of the ocean and have a retractable line up on the above-water part. The line can retract or extend to deal with rising water while still maintaining the same position in the ocean. No need to worry about drift or eventually being underwater.



 

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Thing about these man-made islands is that they can essentially be like Atlantis in Stargate: Atlantis. Namely, you tether-anchor them down to the bottom of the ocean and have a retractable line up on the above-water part. The line can retract or extend to deal with rising water while still maintaining the same position in the ocean. No need to worry about drift or eventually being underwater.
I don't think anyone doesn't know how a man-made floating isle works.

But until city-wide forcefields like Atlantis had are invented, it will certainly have to contend with severe weather, like a hurricane or typhoon. Or pirates.


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I don't think anyone doesn't know how a man-made floating isle works.

But until city-wide forcefields like Atlantis had are invented, it will certainly have to contend with severe weather, like a hurricane or typhoon. Or pirates.
I'd imagine most of the city would be enclosed with parks and whatnot on the outside. Typhoons would be rough but survivable if the city is built to code...but given the desire to keep building codes out, I'd bet a fly breaking wind would be enough to topple skyscrapers.

Pirates are manageable. The trick is they need boats. Boats are sinkable. Have an exclusionary zone around the city with rigidly enforced lanes of traffic. Anyone steps out of that lane, give 'em one warning and that's it. I'd imagine the docks would be heavily guarded with high enough city walls around the rest to make sticking ladders an unfeasible proposition.



 

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Have an exclusionary zone around the city with rigidly enforced lanes of traffic.
But...but... that's a *law* :-)


 

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But...but... that's a *law* :-)
No no no. There are no laws in this place. What we have there is merely a ground rule established for the common safety and benefit of all of the floating city's residents. It's quite simple really.


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No no no. There are no laws in this place. What we have there is merely a ground rule established for the common safety and benefit of all of the floating city's residents. It's quite simple really.
Technically, it's not a law forced upon the residents of the city. It's a law outside the bounds of the city.



 

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Shanty town? That would spoil the view! No, the servants quarters will be below sea level. Out of sight, out of mind. Plus, you can make them pay for air! It'll be like the Company Towns of the early 1900s but better!

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While it's been fun making jokes about this kind of "utopia" the sobering bit is that there are already real world analogs to what this kind of thing might be like.

As part of my job-related travels I've been able to spend a few weeks in Dubai over the past few years. Surrounded by desert it's a sort of city-state where the Emirate royals and uber-rich, living in their near-futuristic 7-star hotels and exclusive green communities, are supported by a separated class of foreign engineering and support personnel from many other countries.

If you're one of the Dubai elite you can basically get away with things the average person can't. I've seen cars tagged with royal license plates flying down the highways doing 180+ kph where the posted speed limits would be like 100 kph and not get stopped by police who were plainly visible watching them do it. Even though prostitution is technically illegal there are certain night clubs which employ literally hundreds of "working" men and women from around the world who can be fairly openly selected and paid for on the spot for a night's "services" in nearby hotels. They'd even started creating man-made islands off the coast where they've been planting multi-million dollar mansions reachable only by their multi-million dollar yachts. I suppose that's easier than building walls to keep the riff-raff out...

Basically if one of these "floating libertarian countries" ever happens I imagine it'll be modeled like a miniature Dubai.


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Dibs on filming the first reality show there.

It's like the old Larry Miller bit "If we pooled our money together, we could buy our own bar and do this every night!"

Are they going to ban weapons? This was tried on one of the Tonga islands in the 70's -- it didn't last long (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva)

Apparently this is being set up by Milton Friedman's grandson


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Basically if one of these "floating libertarian countries" ever happens I imagine it'll be modeled like a miniature Dubai.
Down to the gaudy architecture, mega-rich elites, abused labor force, deportation of strikers, etc. The troubled would-be city-state got hit badly by the economic downturn and still has deep fault-lines in its infrastructure. The Disneyland of the Desert indeed.


 

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Looser building codes is a huge warning flag. Thats exactly what you want to hear on a man made island in the middle of the ocean.
I would be more worried about "few restrictions on weapons". Not happy with how things are going on the island, leave and set off your nukes or other high explosives.


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You know, between the large scale hacker wars, the continual integration of wireless technology into everyday life, and the floating private islands of ultra-rich businessmen, I think I can quite comfortably say that real life has finally turned into a Cyberpunk novel.

Now let's just hope that this whole thing isn't some mad plan to brainwash every nerd in the world by using ancient Babylonian neuro-linguistic hacking skillz. (+10 to whoever gets the reference).


 

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Pirates are manageable. The trick is they need boats. Boats are sinkable. Have an exclusionary zone around the city with rigidly enforced lanes of traffic. Anyone steps out of that lane, give 'em one warning and that's it. I'd imagine the docks would be heavily guarded with high enough city walls around the rest to make sticking ladders an unfeasible proposition.
All the talk about a security force and zones around the city is pointless.

Only one of the hostile counrties in the world, would be all it takes. A sold off MIG or even a WWII era sub would end it all for them.

Anti-aircraft weapons will be of little use with incoming missiles, bombs and or torpedeos.

And if that was not bad enough just remember 9/11. There would be no rescue from that.

You can't have a utpoia until you end all suffering for everyone. Someone will always want and be willing to take what you have that they don't have.

It's they way humans are.


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