Buying Power Sets...your thoughts?
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Posted on: 2011-08-04 07:54 in Player Questions
Buying Going Rogue gave access to the Demon Summoning and Dual Pistols powersets, so there is a precedent. (Yes, GR also gave other things as well, I acknowledge that.)
I guess it boils down to how much they'll cost. It'd be nice if they were unlocked on the Test Server to test, before purchasing them on Live. Who knows?
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having to buy power sets like time manipulation is not so bad imo. this game is much different than most games in that regard at least imo, there is pvp but it is not the main focus for most players although im sure there are players that love it. buying powersets does not equal buying power in this game unless those sets are just ungodly powerful but i dont see that happening. im thinking they are gonna make you buy the stuff that requires more micromanagement like masterminds and controllers or just buy new powersets that is released because people want new powers. i know i got one last character slot right now that im reserving for a time manipulation character.
As Frost Warden, this ain't really anything new - not just GR, but, back in the day, CoV, which gave you powersets and archetypes, cost money.
It also doesn't really compare to other MMOs, as, so far at least, all the powersets are roughly equal power. Buying more gives you a wider variety of characters to play, but it doesn't increase their actual strength, so there's no sense of players "buying power" or similar.
Personally, I generally support it given two conditions:
a) There continue to be free ones - such as Time Mainpulation
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b) The costs remain within 2-3 months worth of "free" points for subscribers.
Well that's good to hear.
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I'd say 1 or 2 months worth of free points instead. |
Originally Posted by PhroX
Personally, I generally support it given two conditions:
a) There continue to be free ones - such as Time Mainpulation and b) The costs remain within 2-3 months worth of "free" points for subscribers. |
As a subscriber I would not respond well to "only" having enough points to keep up with new power-sets and nothing else.
I'm okay with it as long as the powersets are in line with existing ones. I don't want to see "Here's the new hotness, it's {measureable percentage} better then every other powerset for {archetype} vs. all enemies, and now available for the low cost of 2000 Paragon Points!" (Yes, I acknowledge that some powersets are better vs. certain enemies, and worse against others. What I mean is that I don't want to see powersets that are far and away superior but only available in the store.)
Oh, and I agree with je_saist. The purchasable powersets should have reasonable prices.
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400-800 points.|
Originally Posted by Kierthos
I'm okay with it as long as the powersets are in line with existing ones. I don't want to see "Here's the new hotness, it's {measureable percentage} better then every other powerset for {archetype} vs. all enemies, and now available for the low cost of 2000 Paragon Points!" (Yes, I acknowledge that some powersets are better vs. certain enemies, and worse against others. What I mean is that I don't want to see powersets that are far and away superior but only available in the store.)
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Anymore and the cost of a power-set goes from "I can get it with my subscription" to "now I'm paying far more than I did before, this is not worth it"
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Originally Posted by Recon-022
Based on my experience playing other MMO's, it would seem to me that being able to buy powers or abilities instead of earning them is kind of a game breaker.
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This game really only has a couple of examples of "unlocking" powersets like this. Those are the Kheldians and VEATS at level 20 (used to be level 50). The whole idea of "buying" powersets is obviously fairly new. I think I understand your idea about this potentially being a game breaker but I think it'll be limited enough not to be annoying. They are only going to be selling a few powersets leaving the majority freely available to everyone. If it got to the point where we'd have to pay extra for -every- powerset we wanted to use then I'd be worried.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
They are only going to be selling a few powersets leaving the majority freely available to everyone.
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If it got to the point where we'd have to pay extra for -every- powerset we wanted to use then I'd be worried.
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Yes, we have much to choose from already. I understand that. Yes, we've "paid" for power sets previously (ala CoV and GR) but those were bundled with considerably more content.
I guess (for me) it's going to come down to 1- How much the "premium" power sets cost, 2- How many are released and 3- How frequently they're released.
Anywho, that's my 2inf.
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You have a legitimate concern about this, but again I don't think it'll be too bad. When you take a look at the history of this game we've gotten on average roughly 2 new powersets per year (not counting the introduction of CoV). It's not like we're instantly going to be getting a new powerset option to buy every week. |
Originally Posted by SolarSentai
This is what I'm worried about.
Yes, we have much to choose from already. I understand that. Yes, we've "paid" for power sets previously (ala CoV and GR) but those were bundled with considerably more content. I guess (for me) it's going to come down to 1- How much the "premium" power sets cost, 2- How many are released and 3- How frequently they're released. Anywho, that's my 2inf. |
So I figure if that historical rate holds it won't be that bad paying for a new powerset like once every 6 months or so. It'll be spread out far enough that most people shouldn't have to worry about making tough choices if they are on a limited budget.
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What about being able to buy any power for any toon.
So for 5.99$ i can buy elude for my blaster
or for 1.99% extra slots.
Id buy 10 slots for my blaster....
any power for any character... sold!
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Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
What about being able to buy any power for any toon.
So for 5.99$ i can buy elude for my blaster or for 1.99% extra slots. Id buy 10 slots for my blaster.... |
I don't think you would be so fond of Elude when it wears of mid mob.
But the game is not going for 'money = power'.
If it's a choice of having one new powerset for free every 6 months to a year, or having 4 powersets a year with the option to pay for them, I'd rather have the latter, honestly. Nothing says I -have- to buy the sets. Heck, if I could have opted out of demon summoning in going rogue, and got a cheaper price, I would have in a heartbeat.
I personally think at 400-800 they are far too cheap. And should be closer to 1200. 
The devs want to earn additional revenue, making them too cheap means they're either giving power sets away or they're giving booster packs away. They shouldn't be giving either away.
Everything will still be 'free' to VIPs but if you want everything now you will need to pay extra. IMO. 
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I don't know how this could be a serious point, but I am always surprised by posters.|
Originally Posted by Lost Ninja
I personally think at 400-800 they are far too cheap. And should be closer to 1200.
The devs want to earn additional revenue, making them too cheap means they're either giving power sets away or they're giving booster packs away. They shouldn't be giving either away. Everything will still be 'free' to VIPs but if you want everything now you will need to pay extra. IMO. |
I'm not going to call that stupid, but that makes no sense. Not only are you not giving anything away because you are still charging for it at 400-800, your point seems to be that you don't want to get too much value for money.
This game will drive me away by overcharging me. My subscription and the price of one or two boosters a year is the maximum I am prepared to drop. People crow that we will be losing nothing by staying VIPs, but I expect more than just access to servers and the odd story arc for my sub fee.
VIPs should get a lot. I have my doubts that they will.
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You already know the devs have said they won't allow this to happen. Each and every time someone asks them they say no.
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Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
What about being able to buy any power for any toon.
So for 5.99$ i can buy elude for my blaster or for 1.99% extra slots. Id buy 10 slots for my blaster.... |
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Originally Posted by Kiss_n_Hell
I don't think you would be so fond of Elude when it wears of mid mob.
But the game is not going for 'money = power'. |
That was my main concern. Seeing as how I just joined up, I would very dissapointed if that were to happen in the game. Sounds like that isn't what they are shooting for though, and that is good.
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Somebody mentioned this before, but buying power sets is different from being able to buy powers. And while it looks like it will be possible to buy some powers (In particular the signature character reinforcement) they look to be of limited enough use that to use it as a regular part of your attacks could get quite expensive. Sure someone with a ton of money with a permanent Statesman sidekick could be quite a bit more powerful, but I don't necessarily see that as game breaking, and I would be rather shocked if there was actually someone willing to pay enough to always have that power. (I would wonder about the impact on PvP...but I fall into the category of players that doesn't care about PvP anymore.)|
Originally Posted by Recon-022
Seeing as how I just started playing the game (got a full subscription last night), I was curious about what the veterans thought about being able to buy Power Sets when the Market comes online.
Based on my experience playing other MMO's, it would seem to me that being able to buy powers or abilities instead of earning them is kind of a game breaker. But, due to my lack of experience in this game, am I just jumping to conclusions? |
Also, it looks like there may be some fairly powerful inspirations available in the store, but again, their limited duration makes it hard for me to imagine someone using them regularly as an important part of their build. If someone really wants to play that way, I guess I ought to thank them for supporting the game, but I don't think your going to see any sort of discrimination on that account (STF forming, must have signature pet!)
Now if these were permanent powers, I might be conscerned, but since they are temp powers, do you really think someone with Amy or the Warwolf Whistle is really more powerful than other players?
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If having to buy powersets is what allows them to develop many more powersets, then I'm all for it. I would love to have more sets to choose from, and would gladly pay for those choices.
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VIPs get 4800 points a year at minimum. That's $60 worth of points, 3 times what you said you're already willing to spend on Boosters.|
Originally Posted by bromley
VIPs should get a lot. I have my doubts that they will.
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In every one of these discussions, people keep making the same mistake. They equate not getting it the moment it comes out with not getting it. Whereas, with a bit of patience, and the normal adult ability to prioritize, you can get a steady stream of new things on a monthly or even weekly basis, as opposed to now when we have to wait months between new Issues or Boosters.
People keep claiming they will be annoyed if there are more cool things than their stipend+ the amount they normally spend on boosters can get them. When I see that I say: "But that means they're adding MORE NEW THINGS than they used to!" Keep reminding yourself of that before you get too worked up. Complaining that you're getting too many cool new things sounds really silly.
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I expect that VIP's will get just as much as they have ever gotten in the past, which really hasn't been much in the way of new power sets. I can count on two hands the number of power sets that have been made available to all players with out having to purchase an expansion in the past 5 years. |
Originally Posted by bromley
I don't know how this could be a serious point, but I am always surprised by posters.
I'm not going to call that stupid, but that makes no sense. Not only are you not giving anything away because you are still charging for it at 400-800, your point seems to be that you don't want to get too much value for money. This game will drive me away by overcharging me. My subscription and the price of one or two boosters a year is the maximum I am prepared to drop. People crow that we will be losing nothing by staying VIPs, but I expect more than just access to servers and the odd story arc for my sub fee. VIPs should get a lot. I have my doubts that they will. |
I really think what we'll see is more powersets being released more often than ever with this system, but at the cost of the majority of them being available through the market. Will we still get free ones I would be shocked if we didn't get them at the same pace as we had in the past.
I just don't get what the doom and gloom is about.. I don't have a ton of money to dump into this game either, but my policy has always been more options is always better.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
If having to buy powersets is what allows them to develop many more powersets, then I'm all for it. I would love to have more sets to choose from, and would gladly pay for those choices.
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Seeing as how I just started playing the game (got a full subscription last night), I was curious about what the veterans thought about being able to buy Power Sets when the Market comes online.
Based on my experience playing other MMO's, it would seem to me that being able to buy powers or abilities instead of earning them is kind of a game breaker.
But, due to my lack of experience in this game, am I just jumping to conclusions?