Who has Superman been fighting for the last decade?
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The animated shows really helped make Darkseid more popular, so he's been involved in a lot of the memorable story arcs over the last decade. The same goes for Lex Luthor, with the additional reason that folks have been wanting to see this type of Luthor in the movies, so they've got to get their fix somewhere. Another important story was the What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way? arc, in which Superman goes up against a group of heroes that represent a lot of the "extreme" characters that were made popular in the 90's; this group was called The Elite, and they were led by Manchester Black, who's also been involved in a few of Superman's major stories over the years.
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New Krypton/War of the Supermen was fairly big.
He's mostly fighting political activists (i.e., his writers)
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I'd say the bigger enemies he's had to deal with over the last decade or so have been familiar faces: Lex Luthor (of course), Brainiac, General Zod...
Beyond that, there's always the odd lesser foe or natural disaster/socio-political issue that crops up.
As another poster said, I think the best Superman story I've read in quite a while was "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way?" Which was technically just one issue, though the new characters from that story did pop up again later on in Supes' own titles and JLA. The Elite were pretty much a shameless riff on the Authority from Wildstorm.
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I'd say the bigger enemies he's had to deal with over the last decade or so have been familiar faces: Lex Luthor (of course), Brainiac, General Zod...
Beyond that, there's always the odd lesser foe or natural disaster/socio-political issue that crops up. As another poster said, I think the best Superman story I've read in quite a while was "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way?" Which was technically just one issue, though the new characters from that story did pop up again later on in Supes' own titles and JLA. The Elite were pretty much a shameless riff on the Authority from Wildstorm. |
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He's been showing superhuman patience with whiners.
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The correct answer is the writers, artists, and editors...
I meant that because he's so powerful, it must be difficult for the writers to come up with foes he'd believsbly have a problem with. Lex is just a guy, right? Can't Supes just implacably walk to wherever he is, pick him up and take him to prison? Or does every villain wear a kryptonite hat nowadays?
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For me, the drama of Superman isn't really a question of whether a villain is strong enough to beat him. It's his concern for all the other people who aren't invulnerable. Not the risk of defeat, but the risk of failure.
That said, it is really fun whenever he comes up against a foe who actually can give him a run for his money power-wise.
There is an art, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. --The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
I meant that because he's so powerful, it must be difficult for the writers to come up with foes he'd believsbly have a problem with. Lex is just a guy, right? Can't Supes just implacably walk to wherever he is, pick him up and take him to prison? Or does every villain wear a kryptonite hat nowadays?
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First, because Superman is stronger than most adversaries a writer can invent, over the past several decades, many of the challenges he has faced have been written to be primarily mental or emotional rather than physical. Put another way, writers have tried to present him with villains who cannot be beaten simply by literally beating them up. For example, in recent Superman stories, Lex Luthor is president of the United States. While I suspect the writers did it mainly as a thinly-veiled political commentary*, it also renders Luthor "untouchable" in some sense. Superman could beat him up, but he can't just attack the president without causing a legal mess and can't force the people of the United States to reject Luthor just because Superman knows he's evil.
Second, apropos of your kryptonite hat comment, back when I was really into Superman as a kid in early '80's, kryptonite-themed villains seemed fairly rare, and when it was mentioned, it was often a more indirect threat (e.g., the weird-colored kryptonite is making Superman crazy, what happens?) than a tool for superpowered villains. Now, I seem to hear a lot more about it as either a character's gimmick (e.g., '90's Superman villain Conduit) or just something used by other villains (e.g., Luthor's kryptonite ring from the "Death of Superman" era). Maybe they do have kryptonite hats these days.
Third and most importantly, when I hear people complain about "Superman is too powerful!", I think it misses an aspect of the character that's often overlooked in these days of continuities full of hundreds of superheroes. Remember that at the time he came out, Superman was more or less the only superhumanly powerful hero. Originally, and continuing at the very least through the '50's, part of the draw of Superman was exactly that he was so powerful. His contemporary heroes in the pulps of the '30's and early '40's were often highly capable men, but Superman was literally superhuman. The character very intentionally tapped into readers' fascination with a character with "powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men."
This continued through the '50's at least, and it was probably part of Superman's "power creep" that's so regularly criticized by both fans and writers these days. The thrill for young readers of Superman comics in that period doesn't seem intended to be, "Will Superman survive this peril?" as "Superman is so powerful, it's amazing!" A well-known Superman cover of the time showed him towing some entire planets on a chain. A character who can tow planets on a chain is hard to beat in a fight, but at the time, a man towing planets on a chain was itself exciting to read about. (Still should be, in my opinion, for all but the most jaded readers.) The focus was on the powers themselves, not the obstacles they were used to overcome.
The problem, of course, was that as story styles and reader tastes changed over the ensuing decades, just towing planets around was not enough. In the mid-'80's, when DC did its first "reboot" (long before that usage of the term existed) of Superman, and one of the things it did was cut back his power level. Readers wanted to see their protagonist challenged, and this required a weaker protagonist, though "weaker" is a relative term when you're discussing a character who throws chunks of concrete, flies, and shoots rays of heat from his eyes.
This is still more or less where things stand today. It seems to me that many fans and writers remain uncomfortable with Superman's level of power "because it makes things too easy." What they overlook is that the character's powers were designed to appeal to a different kind of interest. The character was designed for uncritical, young readers, not the savvy, fashionably cynical adult comics reader of today. I think it's no accident that most writers who really seem to enjoy working on Superman today are most interested in using him as a symbol, whether a political one as in the Lex-as-president situation or a more general "inspiration to mankind" vein. I think it's also no accident that as readers have come to enjoy more flawed heroes and more perilous situations in superhero stories, Superman has been eclipsed as "the face of the superhero" by Batman, a character who can easily be put into challenging-seeming situations because he can be challenged by almost anything that challenges a real person. (I'm restraining myself here from an extended critique of Batman .... okay, I think the desire to trash him has passed. )
Bottom line? I think it's a shift in what readers are looking for out of the character and his stories.
* Critical as I am of the Luthor-as-political-commentary idea, to be fair, it's not like the idea of Superman fighting a villainous politician is something new. Quite the opposite, in fact. The very first Superman story had him fighting an evil lobbyist, and similar stories continued for over a decade in various media, notably the Superman radio show, where crooked political bosses were among the primary antagonists.
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There was a Superman video game that came out a while back, and while it was reportedly pretty bad overall, there was one concept that seemed perfect to me:
Superman did not have a life bar, but the city of Metropolis did.
That said, if you wanted to write a combat challenge for a Superman story, there are quite a few wells to go to:
- Magic. Although a magic sword will still bounce off his invulnerable skin, it is just as easy to hurt him with a voodoo doll as the next guy.
- He's just an alien. It is beleivable and established that there are other races out there that are as powerful as the Kryptonians: the Daxamites, the Martians, the New Gods, etc
- Cheaters. Some beings the laws of physics/science themselves don't apply to, such as extradimensional beings, like Mxyzptlk. Some of the beings in the Cthulhu Mythos could probably hand Supes his cape without realizing they'd done anything.
...also, Superman's understated but inherent arrogance makes him a lousy tactician. There are a lot of people that he could just fly up to at .9c, punch into unconsciousness, and drop them off at jail before they finish their gloating monologue...
...but he won't because he's Superman.
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I meant that because he's so powerful, it must be difficult for the writers to come up with foes he'd believsbly have a problem with. Lex is just a guy, right? Can't Supes just implacably walk to wherever he is, pick him up and take him to prison? Or does every villain wear a kryptonite hat nowadays?
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Superman is powerful, but he's not All-Powerful. He's just one guy, and he has a pretty strict moral code preventing him from killing anyone.
So good writers give him challenges where he has to make choices, or against foes that have done their research on him. Yes, sometimes that means facing down kryptonite, or red sun lamps, or magic. But sometimes it means do I save this person or that person?
In the last big Superman-centric event I read, "The Last Son of Krypton", the bottled city of Khandor was finally restored, and suddenly there was 500,000 Kryptonians living on Earth. Naturally, not all of them shared Superman's moral code, and relations between human and Kryptonians became strained, with Superman in the middle. I felt that was an extremely good scenario to place Superman; he seldom could overcome the problem with his fists.
Superman has actually had some really good writers the last several years -- Rucka, Simone, Johns, Robinson, Busiek -- and they've crafted good stories (note: I got out before JMS's run, I know nothing about "Grounded"). The important thing with Superman is that he's not just a collection of superpowers.
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Superman was nerfed heavily after Crisis on Infinite Earths. He's been getting steadily powered up, but nowhere near Superboy Prime (aka Pre Crisis where he could toss around planets) levels. The last time he really moved a planet by himself was in Our World At War when he took an extended dip in the sun.
Now in NuDc's Action, he's starting off more nerfed, which Morrison is on record stating. Where he is by the time NuJLA/Starts starts is up in the air. Maybe he actually needs kryptonian armor to be truly invulnerable in NuDC.
One of the problems I have with the concept is that he seems to be a super-hypocrite. Watching the recent Superman movie, tbere's this awesome s ene where he's floating in space usig his superheaing to hear what lloks like EVERYTHING on Earth, and then when he's sat in a bar being all emo, I'm shouting "surely you can hear some poor sod gettig murdered or tortured somewhere within flying distance, right now, and you're ignoring it, you massive tool?"
If he's so morally awesome, surely he should just spend every waking hour flying around the planet at superspeed saving people from burning buildigs and cave-ins and murderous spouses etc? Or else he can hear that "my baby! Somebody save my baby, please!" and he chooses to not do so, in which case if he's not really a super-b***tard then he should be either insane or an emotional wreck.
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One of the problems I have with the concept is that he seems to be a super-hypocrite. Watching the recent Superman movie, tbere's this awesome s ene where he's floating in space usig his superheaing to hear what lloks like EVERYTHING on Earth, and then when he's sat in a bar being all emo, I'm shouting "surely you can hear some poor sod gettig murdered or tortured somewhere within flying distance, right now, and you're ignoring it, you massive tool?"
If he's so morally awesome, surely he should just spend every waking hour flying around the planet at superspeed saving people from burning buildigs and cave-ins and murderous spouses etc? Or else he can hear that "my baby! Somebody save my baby, please!" and he chooses to not do so, in which case if he's not really a super-b***tard then he should be either insane or an emotional wreck. Eco |
This is where a reader needs to put up a some degree of willing-suspension-of-disbelief. That it's important that Superman gets some "down time" as Clark Kent, that he maintains his contact with his friends, that he tools around in the Fortress of Solitude, etc.
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One of the problems I have with the concept is that he seems to be a super-hypocrite. Watching the recent Superman movie, tbere's this awesome s ene where he's floating in space usig his superheaing to hear what lloks like EVERYTHING on Earth, and then when he's sat in a bar being all emo, I'm shouting "surely you can hear some poor sod gettig murdered or tortured somewhere within flying distance, right now, and you're ignoring it, you massive tool?"
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That aside, Rosa is exactly right; this is a point where you have to suspend your disbelief. Either that, or you have to decide you can't accept the premise and read (or watch) something else. Given how thoroughly that movie got trashed around here, I think you're probably not alone in that regard.
If he's so morally awesome, surely he should just spend every waking hour flying around the planet at superspeed saving people from burning buildigs and cave-ins and murderous spouses etc? Or else he can hear that "my baby! Somebody save my baby, please!" and he chooses to not do so, in which case if he's not really a super-b***tard then he should be either insane or an emotional wreck.
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I haven't read a Superman comic since The Death Of Superman. I was thinking today whilst sat on the toilet about Superman and how uber he is. He can push a planet, right?
I remember it took Doomsday to down him, and Doomsday was prettytough
Surely the writers must have difficulty findig stuff for him to do every month? Can anyone who reads Superman comics tell me what he's been doing lately?
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