AE farming now OK?

So, waste a slot writing a "good" farm so it makes Hall of Fame and that will give you an "extra" slot. Brilliant!

A true artist doesn't care how many people love their work, they do it for themselves, not others.

If however, you want to get paid(tickets) or want to be acknowledged (HOF) then I recommend writing for your audience.

Or you can PANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKE and moan that your talent is not appreciated and that no one "gets" you. Shine on.

OK, you're a True Artist(TM). You don't make as much and aren't as well-known as the losers down the street that churn out crap but hey, it's all about the art.

Then the guys who run the local gallery come in, pull the hair out of your brushes, smash your easels, knife your canvases and spill your paint on the floor. The losers, they leave alone. Actually, they buy more of the losers' stuff.

What message would you take away from this?

Be a loser, or in this case make a good farm arc?

You mean the guys who own all the brushes, easels, canvas's and paid for the paint that I am using to tell my story? I would probably find a different medium to express what I am compelled to express. Or, you know, buy my own paint.

The devs didn't personally come to your house and shoot your dog mate. Changes are made to the medium. They didnt make a change to piss you, Venture, off personally, so dont take it that way.

If it was nessessary to close an exploit, then I figure you as an "artist" would be happy with that as it culls the exploitive farming, and hey, all farming must be crushed right?

If it was because someone put a zero where there was supposed to be and used to be a one, then tell them that.

Its a medium, use it how you wish. I dont really care what you do with it.

Pretty sure Venture's talking about the current profanity filter gaffe that affected writers but not farmers and we haven't been given any sort of update to whether or not there's been another update to it.

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LOL, that STILL hasn't been fixed?

Pretty sure comparing a accidental change to the proffanity filter to someone intentionally stabbing your canvas is a weak comparison.

If I was vested in it, I would probably PM the devs. The squeeky wheel gets the grease. The grindy, seized up wheel gets thrown out and ignored.

We agree, then.

I'm an Italian from New Jersey. If I was taking this personally they'd never find the [bleep]ing bodies.

If they had to make a change to block an exploit that in some way negative impacted the ability to tell a story I might not be happy with it but I'd accept it because yes, farming must be crushed.

And yet here you are. You obviously care enough to come into our house to tell us UR DOIN IT WRONG despite, evidently, having no idea what issues we actually face.

Case in point. We're more than a little past PMs.

Exploiting should be crushed. There is a difference you know.

Where did I say anyone is doing it wrong? I said write to your audience.
What issues? You are not getting enough tickets rolling in because the majority of people arn't playing your arc? That you arn't getting ranked high enough to get an HOF arc? Those are the issues stated in this thread. You brought up the profanity filter which has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not farming is indeed okay in AE.

Seriously? Your house. Please. So quick to label and segregate people into their stereotypes. How about we are all players, playing the same game mate. That badger over there? He's a player. I dont see the appeal, but I dont begrudge him it. The Marketer? She's cool. The PVPers? sure, they might be a little frothy at the mouth, and I don't appreciate the smack talk. I dont say they should be removed once and for all and close the pvp zones. I also feel bad that the devs have basically destroyed what they loved about the game. That is horrible. I can feel that way and have no interest in pvp at the same time. Folks who love to write arcs for the game? Awesome! Respect. I sure as hell can't do it. I don't care if you write stories or farms or whatever, but I will fight to the bitter end that you should be allowed to. So If I like to farm, I expect to be treated the same.

It is bollocks that they haven't sorted this out yet.

Put my down for one of those 10 plays, no charge lol

Eco.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

I believe you are perfectly entitled to do so. But in the right place. MA is not meant to be farmed.

Says who?

Hahaha, I was expecting that.

The people who designed and developed it.

Source?

The entire lead up to the release of the Architect Issue. The Devs constantly talking about us being able to create our own story arcs. Their repeated attempts to curb farming. Dear god, the fact that you have to ask for a source really doesn't shine well upon you.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

Where they said you would be able to lvl up from 1-50 in MA? Where you can be rewarded? If they don't want farmers to use MA, kill the rewards. Just be carefull what you wish for.

What does this have to do with anything? Great, you can create a story arc, doesn't mean they all have to be Gillar prize worthy.

Sorry, what? You mean them allowing us to set mission difficulty to whatever we think we are capable of? Jack used to have the mantra "3 minnions to a hero". That view has evolved into, "here, see if you can solo the max settings."

Are you confusing curbing farming with stopping exploiting? Because I remember Posi making a statement that he would be banning people found exploiting the MA and possibly even deleting toons found to be leveled using those exploits. Yes, it was a little ambiguous, and purposefully so, but it didnt mention or specifically target farming.

Now pay attention, cause this is important for you to remember. The devs are even okay with exploits. As long as it stays under the radar, and doesnt get too popular(Freedom atlas broadcasts for exploit farms for example) they seem to be perfectly fine turning a blind eye to it. As an example, I will use Bile spray, which for months was used as an exploit to bypass the max target settings. The devs knew about this for months and only decided to close it down once they decided that too many people were taking advantage of the exploit. Now officially, they will never say "sure its fine", but much like a cop, sometimes they are willing to turn that blind eye.

I agree with you that exploits should be closed, but it should be done consistantly

I can state that the devs have said they are okay with farming, and have done so above, however, at least I realise that it is only my opinion, and I am not stating it as fact. Shine on.

I Freaking Love analogies!

You too? I love doing that! Course I am a chef, so that helps me have fun with your analogy.

Wait, what the **** are you doing? Why ask a cabbie where the good places to eat are. Does he eat at these places, or are you depending on his second hand knowlege of these fine establishments.?

Really? He took you to where he eats, or where the average person requests to go to for food. Crazy.

Just like all my favorite places to eat.

Okay.

That works. Quick, easy, cheap, yet not very nourishing. They are consistant though.

Makes sense.

I would probably find a different way to find my way around the arcs then. For instance, much like your culinary analogy, word of mouth always works better than reading adverts from the yellow pages. Or as people have done, can create global channels specifically for decent MA arcs. Kinda like a concierge.

As a final note, in regards to your sig.

"Creating something is not a democracy. The people have no say. The artist does. It doesn't matter what the people witter on about: they and their response come after. They're not there for the creation." - Russell T Davies

Judging MA arcs is a democracy. The people do have a say. The artist does not. It doesn't matter that the artist complains about how stupid the system is, the judgment remains the same. The people dont have to be there for the creation in order to judge it.

(Keep in mind sometimes my trade is considered an art, the plate is my canvas, the ingredients my paint)

Well, yes, my presence on this forum should show that i don't put much store in the AE interface. But you and i are outliers. The in-game AE search interface needs to be improved.

The taxi driver needs to say 'You want fast food, or you want a michelin 5-star?'. At the moment, he takes you to Burger King every time.

Eco.

EDIT: My sig is a comment on my own Arc review column, btw

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

Precisely!

Do you shoot the taxi driver?

Do you burn down the McDonalds?

Do you stand on a street corner with signs demanding people not eat fast food?

Do you write an op-ed asking others to do the things above for you?

Or do you find a way new way to find the restaurants you like, maybe starting by asking the cab driver a different question. Something like, "Where can I find the best steak in town?"

Everything can be improved, no doubt. In the meantime you can use the current interface to ask and find the 3 star michelins (no such thing as a 5 star). Just going page by page is as ridiculous as me searching for a decent farm mission page by page.

Just to be snarky and play devil's advocate lets change your little analogy here a bit

I arrive in a new town, eager to sample its culinary delights. I check in to my hotel and freshen up, and then grab a taxi.
"Take me to where the good restaurants are, please!" I say.
The taxi driver drops me off in a busy main square where every single eaterie is a KFC, McD, Burger King, Spud U Like or Subways.

It turns out that the restaurants that supposedly have well-crafted quality meals are hidden away in windy back alleys and way out in the suburbs and suchlike, but in reality they're d-class joints whose food is terrible and thats why people eat at the main square.

The town is the AE.
The fast-food joints are the AE popular arcs, many which are farms.
The 'hidden' restaurants are the AE story-arcs most of which suck.
The Taxi Driver is the AE search interface.


The very fact that AE is used quite often for farming should tell the Devs something...and it's not "oh people are abusing the AE". They should be asking themselves WHY people are farming in the first place.

• They hate the first 20 levels of game play?
• They enjoy farming?
• They need inf due to stupid high costs on the market?
• They need tickets for rolls to get recipes/io's that just aren't for sale on the market?
• They need tickets to circumvent the stupidly high prices on salvage?
• They want to do ticket rolls to try and sell io's to make some more inf?

You want to kill farming? Fix the issues that cause people to seek to farm in the first place.

Do I think AE babies that don't know squat about their powers are ok? Nope! People should learn how the game and their characters work.

The only problem is that even the MA community is to the point where it's almost done with it. I'm not trying to brag, but I would say that I'm a fairly well known name in the MA community. I've made a few pretty good arcs. But getting anyone to play my newest arc feels like pulling teeth sometimes. I use the MA Arc Finder channel and it has gotten me exactly 1 play. Another one of my channels got me 1 play, and I got my third today while teaming.