AE farming now OK?


Adeon Hawkwood

 

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You guy are off just a tad. 17 is kind of low.( well, i guess depending on which map) I can PL to 26 in 1 run at +4x8 in a huge map. (about 40 min or so) Not an ambush. In an ambush i can cap 1500 tickets in less than 3 min at 0x8. I pl whoever asks in the server chat and i don't charge anything. I do, though, take offers if they are made.

Someone said AE isn't worth their while because it don't drop purples. Well, it does drop Regen Tissue + Regens, Perf Shifter +End, Kinetic Combats, Oblits, Steadfast Uniques, -KB recipes, and plenty of other recipes that you may never get farming. At 1500 tickets every 3 mins = 9999 is about 20 min. That's more recipes than i get farming in PI in 20 min and baring getting a purple, it'll be worth a ton more influence.


 

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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius View Post
Step in to Freedom's Atlas and wait about oh... 0.01 seconds. You'll see the PL for Influence broadcasts before then probably.
Blue side being the worst. It happens on other servers, but it's much more hidden from the masses in the way compared to where Freedom is just an orgy fest for all of the world to see. I think Guardian is one of the servers that the RTMers will farm people on. Yes, they spam Local on servers telling people they will PL them on Guardian and then it's up to the player to transfer where ever they want.

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Originally Posted by joebartender View Post
Never paid to be pl'ed up. I do however know that the rate is normally 10-20 mil a level. So 500mil to 1bil inf to reach 50.
10-30 mill per run. Not level. Some offer discounts going from one level range to another, ie 1-35, and one for going 1-50. There is one person who's character's name is literally how much they charge a run. I just do self farming and eventually I'll do trades, but that's about it unless I feel like being a pain to farmers who are asking to be paid to farm people and go in a do it for free instead.


 

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Originally Posted by Liz Bathory View Post
Lets say that if I ever encounter this.. (and this is NOT happenning at that kind of scale on UNION at all).. I would stand around broadcasting that...

I was starting an official story arc team so that you could use your inf to buy the enhancements you wanted while having fun actually playing the game!

Which servers have this kind of PL for Inf crap too? Union has none... and I cannot remember seeying it on Virtue either...
Roll up a random toon on freedom just to go pop your head into Atlas AE. It's tragic IMO.

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Originally Posted by Liz Bathory View Post
Which servers have this kind of PL for Inf crap too? Union has none... and I cannot remember seeying it on Virtue either...
I've lately been spending at least 50% of my game time, such as it is, on a Virtue toon, and I'm thinking I've seen it redside there, on Cap. If not on Virtue then the other choice would have to be Freedom's Cap as I rarely venture outside those servers (just too dead at 2 AM).


 

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Not only is it OK, clearly they are some of the best arcs in the system. At least it appears that way looking at the top rated arcs and HoF, I can only hope that someday I create something as good that is deserving of HoF so I can get another arc slot. A girl can dream, can't she?


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Originally Posted by Wrong_Number View Post
Not only is it OK, clearly they are some of the best arcs in the system. At least it appears that way looking at the top rated arcs and HoF, I can only hope that someday I create something as good that is deserving of HoF so I can get another arc slot. A girl can dream, can't she?


WN
Hahahahahahahahqa.. best arcs?! These things get voted high by farmers who vote on them as being a good farm. And a good farm is not an arc at all! Most of the time they are a single mission with enemies that are functional but without creativity.

The rating on the MA system is completely bogus.


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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius View Post
Step in to Freedom's Atlas and wait about oh... 0.01 seconds. You'll see the PL for Influence broadcasts before then probably.
Sounds to me as a good reason to avoid Freedom as the plague and if I was there and became annoyed with it... time to do a mass move away from the server. We have room on UNION :P


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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan View Post
I seem to oscillate between thinking 'they pay their sub same as me, whatever' and 'I hate them. I wish they'd remove all rewards from the AE and leave it a ghost town of storyarc writers/players' lol.

I do think it's a shame they don't remove the AE from
atlas and galaxy, though.

Eco
QFT.
And where there are farms / PLs to pay for, there are inf sellers helping you afford it.
I am sad that, undoubtedly, we will have AE on the VIP server.
I left for a while when AE came out, I don't think it achieved what it hoped to.


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Originally Posted by Megajoule View Post
Sometimes I wonder if anyone on Freedom (again, the server) knows how to level any other way.
Of course they do. With the highest population, you are going to see a lot of people doing any one thing. Especially when it's conducted in broadcast. Even more so at peak times. But there's still a lot of everything else going on. Atlas is just one zone.. but shh.. don't tell everyone. Some think it's the only zone and I'm more than happy for them to keep thinking that.


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Originally Posted by Liz Bathory View Post
Hahahahahahahahqa.. best arcs?! These things get voted high by farmers who vote on them as being a good farm. And a good farm is not an arc at all! Most of the time they are a single mission with enemies that are functional but without creativity.

The rating on the MA system is completely bogus.

I have to remind myself sometimes that sarcasm often gets missed on the net. I spent a long time promoting MA (Founded MA Arc Finder channel, MA Super Team, to name a couple) and have long advocated the change of the rating system and Hall of Fame. I was annoyed that day to see eight of the ten arcs on page 3 (The first player rated arcs after DC/HoF/Guest) werel farms.


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Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste

or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story

 

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Originally Posted by Wrong_Number View Post
I have to remind myself sometimes that sarcasm often gets missed on the net. I spent a long time promoting MA (Founded MA Arc Finder channel, MA Super Team, to name a couple) and have long advocated the change of the rating system and Hall of Fame. I was annoyed that day to see eight of the ten arcs on page 3 (The first player rated arcs after DC/HoF/Guest) werel farms.


WN
Ha.. I see.. I was tired and forgot it was you that made the remark. Or I would have recognised you from the MA threads.

We at least both agree here :P


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I have said, numerous times, that while I have nothing against using AE for leveling, that is not the way to understand the mechanics of the game...

I think my diatribe is as follows:

"Before you do ANY sort of leveling in AE, you should get at LEAST 2 characters to 50 via content. On hero and one villain. As a matter of fact, since I am old-school, 4 would be awesome (one hero AT, one villain AT, one EAT and one VEAT). After that, PL away to your hearts desire, don't complain about how much inf it may cost, and use those tickets wisely. Nothing makes a sad Panda more than seeing a lvl 50 who has no idea how to get to Croatoa."

The first 10 50s I made were through content exclusively. I never even THOUGHT about AE, and then I saw the tickets I could use for rare salvage for my IOs... Now, it is a part of each of my characters to generate a bit of inf or salvage for the odd recipe here and there.


 

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I wonder if it would be possible to "game the system" .... write a farm mission, advertise it to farmers, get it up to around 990 plays, then suddenly replace the farm mission with a real story, and try to pick up 10 more plays in order to cross the line into Hall of Fame. It's bait & switch, sure, but like farms, it isn't explicitly forbidden....



[EDIT: I'm just kidding, of course. If I were willing to do this sort of thing, I would be out there offering to pay 1 billion inf to each person willing to 5 star my arcs.]


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Originally Posted by lukewarmdog View Post
Of course they do. With the highest population, you are going to see a lot of people doing any one thing. Especially when it's conducted in broadcast. Even more so at peak times. But there's still a lot of everything else going on. Atlas is just one zone.. but shh.. don't tell everyone. Some think it's the only zone and I'm more than happy for them to keep thinking that.
Problem with Atlas is that it's the starting zone for heroes and with them blowing up Galaxy there's no way to avoid it. Basically, Freedom is going to make FREEDOM!!! look incredibly bad when it hits.

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Originally Posted by lukewarmdog View Post
QFT.
And where there are farms / PLs to pay for, there are inf sellers helping you afford it.
I wonder if THIS is the argument we need to leverage to finally get changes made to the state of AE. I remember a comment made once that the fastest way to get the devs to actually change something is to find a way to exploit it.


 

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Originally Posted by PoliceWoman View Post
I wonder if it would be possible to "game the system" .... write a farm mission, advertise it to farmers, get it up to around 990 plays, then suddenly replace the farm mission with a real story, and try to pick up 10 more plays in order to cross the line into Hall of Fame. It's bait & switch, sure, but like farms, it isn't explicitly forbidden....



[EDIT: I'm just kidding, of course. If I were willing to do this sort of thing, I would be out there offering to pay 1 billion inf to each person willing to 5 star my arcs.]

Love it.


WN


Check out one of my most recent arcs:
457506 - A Very Special Episode - An abandoned TV, a missing kid's TV show host and more
416951 - The Ms. Manners Task Force - More wacky villains, Wannabes. things in poor taste

or one of my other arcs including two 2010 Player's Choice Winners and an2009 Official AE Awards Nominee for Best Original Story

 

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Originally Posted by Zamuel View Post
I wonder if THIS is the argument we need to leverage to finally get changes made to the state of AE. I remember a comment made once that the fastest way to get the devs to actually change something is to find a way to exploit it.
There is no "state of AE" except for in Freedom. Please do not try to fix stuff that ain't broke. Why people get their knickers in a twist over some n00b shouting "PL me plz. Nede moar lvlz!" is beyond me. Ignore them.


 

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Originally Posted by BeornAgain View Post
There is no "state of AE" except for in Freedom. Please do not try to fix stuff that ain't broke. Why people get their knickers in a twist over some n00b shouting "PL me plz. Nede moar lvlz!" is beyond me. Ignore them.
If it were just a few people shouting for powerleveling then I'd certainly agree that it's no big deal. But it's more to it than just that. It's a point now that you can't suggest AE to people in-game without it either being met with ridicule or automatically being assumed it's a farm. You pretty much can't even pay people to do it. While Freedom makes it look the worst, the perception of AE has been skewed game-wide and that's where the frustrations and concerns come from.


 

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Probably not the fault of the AE system, but more of the exemplar system.


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I logged in tonight, just now, hoping to see some tickets to claim or something for the first time in a week or so.

Nothing.

So I opened up the AE system to see where I stood on ratings.

One of my arcs, formerly at page 3 middle, is now page 4 middle, so I wondered why.

There are two, potentially three, farms in the Hall of Fame on page 2 of a default search alone, just going from their descriptions. The majority of arcs on page 3 seem to be obvious farms based on their descriptions. Barring unique offerings like Crafter's Cafe (an excellent concept well executed, I might add!), players have to get to page 4 of a default search if they want to see what arcs are available that aren't Dev's Choice, Hall of Fame, the biggest and hottest farms, or a very few exceptional standouts.

This isn't me trying to gripe about Dev's Choice, Hall of Fame, or arcs in front of mine on the list. . . but it is frustrating to see farms, which supposedly aren't what the AE is for, getting the attention of players looking to use the AE for quick levels while simultaneously dropping the reputation of AE creators, players, and missions among non-AE players. I, too, have experienced what Zamuel mentioned about having to specify that not all of AE is about farming and that my arcs that I'm dying to get people to try out aren't farms.

It's a sad, sad state of affairs.


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Originally Posted by Tubbius View Post
I logged in tonight, just now, hoping to see some tickets to claim or something for the first time in a week or so.

Nothing.

So I opened up the AE system to see where I stood on ratings.

One of my arcs, formerly at page 3 middle, is now page 4 middle, so I wondered why.

There are two, potentially three, farms in the Hall of Fame on page 2 of a default search alone, just going from their descriptions. The majority of arcs on page 3 seem to be obvious farms based on their descriptions. Barring unique offerings like Crafter's Cafe (an excellent concept well executed, I might add!), players have to get to page 4 of a default search if they want to see what arcs are available that aren't Dev's Choice, Hall of Fame, the biggest and hottest farms, or a very few exceptional standouts.

This isn't me trying to gripe about Dev's Choice, Hall of Fame, or arcs in front of mine on the list. . . but it is frustrating to see farms, which supposedly aren't what the AE is for, getting the attention of players looking to use the AE for quick levels while simultaneously dropping the reputation of AE creators, players, and missions among non-AE players. I, too, have experienced what Zamuel mentioned about having to specify that not all of AE is about farming and that my arcs that I'm dying to get people to try out aren't farms.

It's a sad, sad state of affairs.
It's what the devs are happy with, so that's that. AE had awesome potential, but was severally mismanaged from the start. Is anyone really surprised at the state it's in now considering past dev action/inaction?


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You would not believe it. I used to have to filter through all the dev's choice arcs, and Hall of Fames before I could find a farm.

Write for your audience. If the audience is all farmers, and you want free tickets, write a farm. Farms only getting the hof's? and you want your extra arc slot, write a farm. make it a good one. make it the best.

Or keep up the whole starving artist thing. Everyone hates a sell out.


 

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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge View Post
Everyone is jealous of a successful sell out.
Fixed.

I've considered trying to split the difference by writing a good story farm... but I don't know much about farms really. Maybe I should just try selling my award-winning custom design skills to make other people's farms pretty - any takers?


 

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Originally Posted by JKPhage View Post
I'm gonna have to agree with the sentiment above, as long as it's not an exploit and you aren't PLing someone who's only been playing for five minutes it's really just the same as any old farm mish in PI that was created by the devs, we just don't have bridges anymore.

The whole reason people are anti-AE is the AE babies. Heck, I was on a redside team on Virtue last night that was running one of the members' cape mish. We pop out right by ICON, as that map is set in Steel Canyon. One of the members commented along the lines of "I thought this was in Atlas?" and another member (who I won't specifically name but something along the lines of Misterawesomedude53, on virtue mind you) replied "It is Atlas, that's AE right over there." I couldn't help myself, I had to point out that "No, it's Steel, that's ICON right across the river which doesn't exist in Atlas and AE is in every zone. You'd know that if you ever stepped outside of it." Upon seeing this exchange the team leader kicked him, realizing that we'd picked up an AE baby. And that's a light example.
I'd call your team leader a jerk. And the rest of the team weak for not telling the leader so.
Kicking a player for not recognising a zone? For maybe having played in AE in the past but currently on normal mission. That's worse than the jerks who kick defenders for not having a healing arrow.
Yeah, That will teach them for playing with the real players.


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