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Out-leveling a story arc while it's in process is really annoying.

This morning I was working for Praetor Sinclair and had made it to the second last mission. The last post mission chat with him said things along the lines of 'we have them cornered. Now to finish it.'

Followed immediately by 'Our time together is done, $charname. Best to not draw attention to it.'

.... well, fine then. YOU take out the last two members of your elite secret team and Praetoria Ghost Widow. Glory hog.

I don't care if all the enemies con blue because the story caps at 15. Let me finish the damned arc. You can't even flashback them.

(And then what happened is a rhetorical question. I know where paragonwiki is if I really want to know. I've used it to for such purposes many times in the past when going through Praetoria.)


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Technically, you did finish the story arc. The part where you finish it is a different arc.


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I'll just throw it in here, in case anyone is not aware of it yet.

You can disable earning xp in Menu > Options > General > Scroll down to Miscellaneous.

Of course, it doesn't outright solve the problem (that is the absurdity of out leveling contacts) but still, it can be useful.


 

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How the hell are you people managing to outlevel these arcs? Do you kill every damn mob on the map?


 

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How the hell are you people managing to outlevel these arcs? Do you kill every damn mob on the map?

I haven't figured it out either. Maybe teaming?


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I'll just throw it in here, in case anyone is not aware of it yet.

You can disable earning xp in Menu > Options > General > Scroll down to Miscellaneous.

Of course, it doesn't outright solve the problem (that is the absurdity of out leveling contacts) but still, it can be useful.
Ahh beat me to it Narkor. There is nothing preventing you from shutting off the xp for 2 missions so you can complete an arc. You will stil earn influence needed to buy or craft emhancements, still get recipe and salvage drops.. the only thing you lose is the xp that got you to 15 and made you outlevel the contact to begin with.

Personally I used this same method to ensure a character I had that was rapidly approaching level 10 in KR didn't out level the Atlas Bank mission and the chance to obtain a raptor pack.

Another way to slow down and allow yourself to experience more content would be to go to a field rep and reduce the level of the enemies you battle to -1. You will still earn xp but at a lesser rate.

Of course both methods are only stop gaps that would let you complete an arc.. aside from that why would you want to shut or or turn down xp. The idea is to level up .. not stagnate.


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I'll just throw it in here, in case anyone is not aware of it yet.

You can disable earning xp in Menu > Options > General > Scroll down to Miscellaneous.

Of course, it doesn't outright solve the problem (that is the absurdity of out leveling contacts) but still, it can be useful.
Above all, it means that you have to leave the game and research online in a wiki describing everything in Paragon and elsewhere to see what level range your contact has. Leaving the game is never good.

A little note in the contact window showing the level range would be good.


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You shouldn't be working for that slimeball Chimera in the first place
Technically, I'm not. I've been undercover betraying the Power storyline for the Resistance the entire time. Who are no better. I'm working for that slimeball Scott instead until I can flip both factions the bird and walk through a portal.

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Above all, it means that you have to leave the game and research online in a wiki describing everything in Paragon and elsewhere to see what level range your contact has. Leaving the game is never good.

A little note in the contact window showing the level range would be good.
Exactly. Taking the train shows you the level range of the zone, which infers the level range of the contact, but there has to be a way to state it. Even just colored text in the introduction blurb would do.

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Technically, you did finish the story arc. The part where you finish it is a different arc.
According to Paragonwiki the very next mission was the finale with the moral choice, the cutscenes, and the merits. It's what makes this one irksome enough to stand out to me.


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I use this handy guide so I don't out level any of the contacts in Praetoria. It's slow going, but I wanted to experience all of the arcs for a change.



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How the hell are you people managing to outlevel these arcs? Do you kill every damn mob on the map?
Um... Yeah. Why would I not? Hell, I have to resist my urge to attack things I meet on the way or upping my difficulty to +0x2 lest I end up missing entire level ranges.


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if you alt a lot, patrol exp builds up. i tend to rotate chars, so usually when i log someone in, they have a full level of the stuff. plus, if you take time for the zone events..it builds up.
This.

In GR beta, I was missing the first few moral choices entirely (and didn't understand what others were talking about) by just by duo'ing, fighting the occasional street encounter.

Disabling XP is OK if you know the level range you're about to outlevel, but it isn't much good after-the-fact.

Its probably not an easy tech thing to do, but I'd take the Mission Architect tech that makes you auto-exemplar to the mission level and apply it to contact missions. That way, you're TOLD that you have outleveled the content, but are still given an opportunity to experience it.


 

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This.

In GR beta, I was missing the first few moral choices entirely (and didn't understand what others were talking about) by just by duo'ing, fighting the occasional street encounter.

Disabling XP is OK if you know the level range you're about to outlevel, but it isn't much good after-the-fact.

Its probably not an easy tech thing to do, but I'd take the Mission Architect tech that makes you auto-exemplar to the mission level and apply it to contact missions. That way, you're TOLD that you have outleveled the content, but are still given an opportunity to experience it.
Actually, thinking about it, with super sidekicking the way it is now. Why should we ever out level any contacts? Of course, it would demean some of the point of ouroborus, but still.


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Could this be a bug? I thought that once you begin a story arc, you will get all the missions for the arc even if you out level the contact. I know I've done Stephanie Peebles' arc in Striga by picking up the opening at 23 and not continuing it until 26 and she's capped at 24.


 

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Could this be a bug? I thought that once you begin a story arc, you will get all the missions for the arc even if you out level the contact. I know I've done Stephanie Peebles' arc in Striga by picking up the opening at 23 and not continuing it until 26 and she's capped at 24.
It's unintended consequence. Due to the solo-only nature of the morality choice mission, it's technically a separate story arc.


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Um... Yeah. Why would I not?
Um, because.... you don't have to? I only kill what gets in my way.


 

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I agree with the OP. You shouldn't have to turn off XP or consult a 3rd party guide just to experience the content in the game. It should flow naturally.

While we all know the workarounds by now, the developers should still strive to design a game that is intuitive and self-contained.


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I outlevel the Praetorian arcs every time I play. I you regularly play on 5 man or higher teams and build up some patrol xp, it's very simple to do. I had to turn off xp on one of my toons several times to get the whole Warden arc series in. In fact, I had it off maybe a third of the total arcs I did.


 

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It's unintended consequence. Due to the solo-only nature of the morality choice mission, it's technically a separate story arc.
Ah. So THAT'S what's happening. That's a shame, since it's the reason to go through Praetoria at all as far as I'm concerned. It's far faster to leap into Blue or Red side and blow to 20 in an afternoon of teaming.

I'd still implore the devs to ensuring that all the effort they went through writing Praetorian missions doesn't go to waste.


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How the hell are you people managing to outlevel these arcs? Do you kill every damn mob on the map?

I am trying to level up .. Of course I kill every mob on the map. LOL I want every drop of XP, every bit of potential salvage and every single recipes that ,MAY be attached to a mob in every mission.

And if you think that's silly I did an ITF once and we completed the TF taking down Rommi. About 3 or 4 of the members immediately disappeared outside while the rest of us cleaned up the remaining mobs near the plaza. I got a Purple drop during that short time that I sold for 300 million. Of course by that time the quick to run teammates were gone but don't you think they'd be kicking themselves wondering.. "If I'd stayed inside I might have gotten that!" LOL


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I am trying to level up .. Of course I kill every mob on the map. LOL I want every drop of XP, every bit of potential salvage and every single recipes that ,MAY be attached to a mob in every mission.

And if you think that's silly I did an ITF once and we completed the TF taking down Rommi. About 3 or 4 of the members immediately disappeared outside while the rest of us cleaned up the remaining mobs near the plaza. I got a Purple drop during that short time that I sold for 300 million. Of course by that time the quick to run teammates were gone but don't you think they'd be kicking themselves wondering.. "If I'd stayed inside I might have gotten that!" LOL
Getting a purple in Praetoria is unlikely.


 

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Getting a purple in Praetoria is unlikely.

No getting a purple in Praetoria is impossible unless you want to count the trials incarnates are doing now as a visit to Cole's backyard. i was just using that as an example. I don't go crazy and insist on a TF I may be leading that we search out and defeat every last minion but solo and even when I team with my friends I like to clear maps. Who knows if that one mob I decide to skip so I can rush off to the next mission may not have a rare piece of salvage that would give my low level character a couple of million in Inf to use. And at level 5 xp is xp so why skip a mob when I have 45 more levels to go before i can start worrying about shards and threads and stop worrying about XP.


�We�re always the good guys. In D&D, we�re lawful good. In City of Heroes we�re the heroes. In Grand Theft Auto we pay the prostitutes promptly and never hit them with a bat.� � Leonard
�Those women are prostitutes? You said they were raising money for stem cell research!� � Sheldon